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i wonder if sophia smokes???? hmmmmm...
i really dont thinks so but that would explain the voice

Just a minor critique to the critique of Albert Camus's name. The "French" pronunciation said by Lucas/CMM was correct. He actually made me proud that he was not butchering the name of this French author with an americanized pronunciation like so many others did.

Brooke and Lucas better get back together.

oh my god, I completely completely agree with you Livvie! I couldn´t have said it better myself. I was/am tihnking the exact same thing! Bravo:P

Oh, and to add to my previous comment, I have to say, Sara I'm totally a fan! I love all your comments. I loved your Chad-Sophia comments for 505 soooo much =D I love how you aren't afraid to say what the rest of us are thinking.

Also, coming from me this'll sound strange but I've gotta say, I loved the Lucas-Peyton scene at the river court. That was the first time I thought they were cool together. But before the Brucasers bite my head off, it was only because they were friends in that scene and nothing more. There really weren't any romantic feelings involved. They've got great chemistry as friends because Chad and Hil do as well, but romantically, they make me wanna gag! Leave the romantic/sexual chemistry to Brucas/Chophia.

Oh my gosh, we get it Mark, YOU think Lucas and Peyton are meant to be. I've never watched a show where I feel like it's like there's a major fanbase vs the creators. Even if there's a pairing I don't agree with on a show, I still see where it's coming from and it usually makes sense because there's been a natural progression towards it, but it's not the case here. It's like it's Mark's main objective to completely wipe out Brucas.

It was bad enough to have Brooke all pro-Pucas but must they add/bring out characters for the sole purpose of pushing the unwanted couple on us all? He created Molly solely for that reason, ok, whatever, but Chase and Bevin too? I was looking forward to some nice scenes reminiscent of the past but that didn't happen. Bevin always thought he'd end up with Peyton, are you kidding me? She was totally more Brooke's friend and was mainly only around when Brucas were together. Then there's Chase supporting Leyton, seriously?! He WAS Brooke in his own love triagnle involving true loves and best friends and that's why he was so "careful with his heart" in season 4, so why would he be on the side of the cheaters?

And the creation-vs-criticism and the internet's-only-used-for-complaining-and-porn comments? Real mature. You put your work out there, want us to watch, make money off of it- you gotta deal with the criticism. Oh, and it was 82 letters. Some people are hoping that that slip was on purpose but I have no faith left. We aren't even getting a BL baby anymore... I think I've come to a point where I'm just gonna watch selective scenes online once I find out they're worth watching... lol, but I LOVE your podcasts!!!

hey just wanted to say that I love the podcast.

I think Lucas isn't getting quite a fair judgement. He had definately not been acting on his best behavior but try to understand where the guy is coming from. After he was about to ask Peyton to marry him he got a "lets wait" response. Peyton, the girl he loved since being a little kid, the one he risked his life to save told him to wait. As a guy who is a lot like Luke in many ways I can tell you that its pretty hard for your ego to take. Luke's whole life he's been told he was this great guy so he probably isn't that great at handling rejection.

Has Luke's action been out of line this season? Absolutely, but trying to be the good guy who does the right thing all the time when you're with someone but in love with someone else can lead even a good guy to do some stupid things. Believe me I know from experience.

Cut the guy some slack. We've had four other seasons full of reasons to know what kind of person he is.

Thats really all I had to say! I think you're doing a great job, my only other suggestion would be to watch the other seasons because #1 they're great and #2 though its interesting to hear some of my favorite characters be judged based on their actions this season without that historical context the judgements can seem a bit unfair.

The writers of the show haven't forgotten what came before, despite what others may claim. I have yet to see evidence of that. Just because Luke and Brooke aren't dating right now doesn't mean the writers forgot about it. If you were really a Brooke fan anyways would you rather have her pining after some guy or trying to be the best businesswoman out there?

I like that Brooke has grown up even more than in the other 3 seasons, and I hope to see her happy this season because she had been through a lot on season 4. Also I love Bramie scenes, he is so cute!And about Owen, I have to say I like the couple, but I'll never stop being Brucas fan. I think Brooke Davis is the best character of OTH.

ok here's what i think...

at the end we see haley calling lucas and telling him he can't marry lindsey, right? Well everyone seems so confused about this, but i think that she read somehting in his 2nd book that made her think that. I mean we gathered that his first book was all about his love for peyton right?Maybe when she read it it woke her up and she realized that peyton is who he belongs with and she doesn't want him to make a mistake that he may regret...

what do ya think guys?? seem like a resonable solution?

I totally agree with Brucas001 because Brucas were a big part in OTH especially season 3 also Lucas did say that when his dreams came true the one person he wanted beside him was Brooke. He changed it to Peyton in 409 prolly just to convince himself that he's in love with Peyton and over Brooke.

OK,LOVE BRUCAs, although I'm consodering CMM & Sophia's personal relationship.. that may have changed things. On to the OLD, Skills told Jmaie not to date girls named Bevin, but it was never explained. Was SO entertained by the appearance of Tim, then comes BEV & they are maaried!! Is it just me or could have our entertainement... could have come from those 2 showing up at the party? Bev & Tim runnung into skills? Bevin had a huge heart & was funny, TIM, can anyone remeber the girl scout uniform????Does anyone think they will show up down the line>??? PURE FUN!!!!!

With one tree hill brining back old characters i was wondering if that might bring back Jake to stir up things

Okay this is my first time commenting and I just want to say that I love listening to your podcast. I love hearing what new listeners think, especially ones who don't already have a preference of couples or characters. I do think it is great that you have someone who has seen all seasons to help give a different perspective to the ones who haven't.

As a Brooke fan first and a Brucas fan second I am really getting frustrated with this show. Brooke is such a wonderful person who really only wants one thing and that is to be loved back by the people she loves. I don't think she cares that much about the money or fame as much as she wants love. Since her parents were never around to care for her or show her that love she turned to Peyton growing up to get that love. She then met Lucas and fell in love with him and had a new love which means she finally had that love from two people that she didn't get from her parents. Then regardless of if she intentionally did it or not, Peyton then took both of those loves away from Brooke when she started chasing/dating Lucas. Now this season she finally has her mom back in her life and once again she just wants that love that she never had growing up but Victoria still doesn't give it to her. It just breaks my heart because I want to know when will Brooke finally get what she wants. Not the fashion line, or the magazine, or the money or the fame. When will she get the unconditional love that she has never consistently had. Unfortunately I do not see that in Owen. I hate how condescending he is to her and I just don't see any spark or chemistry between them. I see him more as the big brother type that she can go to for advice. Last season I didn't see any chemistry with Chase because they were dull and boring but I will admit this episode was the first time I saw a little spark between them. My problem is I don't know if I see the spark because I am so against a Brooke and Owen relationship that anything else looks better than the two of them together. I know you guys think he is hot and everything but I just don't think Brooke should have to chase after someone who puts her down. I just wish Brooke could finally get the love she deserves from someone that deserves her love.

I hate that this season and during the second half of last season they are constantly shoving Leyton down our throats. They keep having EVERY character say that Lucas and Peyton are meant to be like that is going to make me believe it. It is already bad that they have Brooke as the #1 Lucas/Peyton cheerleader but I can not believe that they had Bevin who was a closer friend to Brooke say that she always thought Lucas and Peyton would marry. What was even worst is that they had Chase become a Lucas Peyton supporter when he is Brooke's ex and he was the Brooke in the triangle he had with his best friend and girlfriend. I don't know about you guys but I don't like that the writers are trying to tell me what to think. If everyone says they are meant to be then I am suppose to believe it? I'd rather come to that conclusion on my own by watching the story play out. Unfortunately they haven't written the Lucas/Peyton story where I would ever think they are suppose to be together. When you think about it, they became an official couple after the High School state championship game which had to be in the spring. So technically they were only "together" for maybe three months before Peyton went to California for the summer. She then stayed in California for a year and they only saw each other 3 times in that whole year. So why would I think and why would every character on the show think that they had this "meant to be" relationship? I know Lucas wrote a novel about them but I think I need to read this novel because it is obviously fiction and not a biography. Because what we've seen on the show with Lucas and Peyton has not been this great wonderful love story. We've seen them hurt other people to get together. Another thing I want to know is why is the novel all about Peyton when he started writing it when he was with Brooke and was still writing it when he was trying to get Brooke to take him back after she broke up with him. I really do not believe that Lucas would be writing about another girl during that time.

I loved that you mentioned that the writers are ignoring the Brooke/Lucas relationship. I think anyone walking down the street should be able to pick out all the Brooke/Lucas fans. They are the ones with their faces all bloodied and bruised because it seems like with every episode we are getting punched or slapped in the face because of the way they are they are treating the relationship like it was nothing. I saw seasons 2 and 3, you can not tell me the build up and love I saw between the two was Lucas in denial of his feelings for Peyton. It is ashame that in order to prop up the Lucas/Peyton relationship they have to tear down the Brooke/Lucas one. When Brooke and Lucas was together they never took anything away from the Lucas/Peyton history but this season they make jokes of Brooke and Lucas relationship. When Brooke and Lucas was together they had Lucas and Peyton friendship scenes so I don't know why they can't even give the Brucas fans any friendship scenes. We saw a couple in the beginning of the season but since then we've seen nothing. It almost makes me think that they know if they have them together everyone would see their chemistry is better than any chemistry that Leyton has. I still don't know why we haven't had a godparents scene where Brooke and Lucas either babysit Jaime or even better in the last episode have Brooke and Lucas check on Jaime instead of Owen who doesn't even know Jaime.

Sorry for my long rant. When I heard your podcast I had to comment on my frustrations with this show. Keep up the good work guys. I really enjoy listening to you.

Guys,Ok we get it.You love Leyton and stuff but you absolutely can't deny that Brucas was a huge part of OTH.It doesn't matter that was 4 years ago.It still means sth.We ache to see them together again and I think that there is a chance to be together.At least I hope so.They really were great.

yay i'm back and i gotta say that this was one of my fave podcasts that you guys did. it was awesome. i loved t sad.his whole episode def one of my faves this season. i felt so sorry for jamie sure he's cute and he steals every scene he's in but all he wanted was his family together. ialso liked the brase/ owen/ peyton scenes. they were great but sarah i totally agree with you saying that owen should have guessed it was the same brooke i mean how many brooke's are there in tree hill? still shocked about haley telling lucas that he shouldn't marry lindsey. prolly something to do with his latest book. The Bevin scene was hilarious loved how she didn't let them get a word in but shocked to hear that she married Tim and their son named nathan (still creeps me out) hehe I found out that they are gonna start showing one tree hill season 5 over here in the uk on april 21st with some stuff cut out obviously so i'm glad that i download it. hehe

You know, I respect other people's opinions on who they ship; I'm not going to try to convert anyone or anything. But seriously, look at the facts. It's been five years since BL dated. The first time they dated, it only lasted a month, the second time, it was half a year tops. That's at the most seven months that they've been together TOTAL.

Now it's been five long years, four of which (the fast forward) in which they only saw each other once and were living completely different lives. They've dated and loved other people. They had closure. Do people really expect them to see each other after all these years and not have been able to get over a seven month long high school relationship. That would be pathetic for both characters, showing no character growth at all.

I get that some people want them to end up together, and that's fine, that's their preference. But by looking at the facts, I don't see hat they would expect to be any differently.

And it's not that the show has selective memory. There have been plenty of references to BL's past relationship this season. It's just that both characters have moved on and aren't dwelling on it.

Plus, Brooke's with Owen, Lucas is with Lindsey, LP have their thing going on. Why would it make any sense for BL to be constantly brought up? The storylines would be stuck exactly where they were for the first four seasons, which once again would show no character growth.

on the brooke vs haley hottness bracket, i was too shocked about haley winning but then i was like... well, there are the brooke fans who go brooke... then there are the haley fans who will vote haley... but then u have the peyton fans and most peyton fans are l/p fans and wouldn't vote for brooke... (or this is the opinion i have gained from many l/pers) and so haley gets the peyton fans...
im simply THRILLED that the top 2 were girls from my show!! mad props!!!

anywho, i def have to say i agree w/ the tree hill selective memory loss... ugh! im an avid brucas fan and i feel like everything that happened b/w the two has just been thrown out the window - - no correction, half of it has been thrown out the window and the other half has been resused in pucas scenes!!! the brucas fans aren't happy and ya know, the last half way brucas scene we got was brooke telling her mom that lucas scott would have been the guy she could have given it all up for... lk WUT?!?!? and then NOTHING!!! i get that was 3yrs ago, but jee!!!

mmk, neways, the podcast was really good this wk and i actually agreed w/ everything yall said this time! lol
cant wait for nxt wk!

xoxo
-manda

Hi! My name is Gloria. I'm a huge Spanish fan of One Tree Hill.
First of all I want you to know that your podcasts are great and funny. I listen to them every morning while I'm going to my job. It really makes me laugh a lot,I look stupid in the subway laughing about it. Everybody look at me like It's too soon to laugh don't you think? XD .All of you do an amazing job!Thank you!
And second of all, I listened to this week's episode podcast and what you said about Sophia's voice. She has been a little raspy because of the cold air as she said on Live with Regis and Kelly. So I just want you to know that's the reason of her raspy voice.
And for concluding I wanted to thank you for your great job, keep like this!
I can't wait to see next episode!I'm sure It's gonna be awasome!
Xoxo
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This was a really great OTH episode. Last two weeks I didn't like it as much.. don't know exactly why but didn't get that special OTH feeling!

But hey listen.. Haley droped a huge bomb when she said: "You can't marry Lindsey" WHAT!... WHAT!... WHAT! I mean come on.. poor Lucas, what was she thinking!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Leyton fan but she can't do this to her best friend, can she?

I completely agree with you guys on Brooke and Lucas being forgotton this season. Like in this past episode Brooke was mocking her and Lucas. Its unrealistic and unfair to the fanbase. You could clearly tell that they were madly in love. They were most passionate and loving when they were together; they complimented each other.

What I didn't like from this week's episode was Brooke's line to Peyton, "If that's letter number 86 from the sad box of Lucas letters, you can keep it." That was a slap in the face especially coming from Brooke. Those letters were a BIG part of Brucas and now Mark and Co. are using them as a punchline.

It's nice to see other fans have noticed the disrespect to this fanbase. I understand Brooke has "moved on" but at least acknowledge that this relantionship happened and that it was a VERY important time in both of their lives. I've said it before and I'll say it again; Brooke and Lucas were each other's first loves and you NEVER forget that. I know people will argue and say no Peyton was Lucas' first love....not true. Lucas was in lust/like with Peyton it was never love until much later in the series and Peyton's first love was Jake. He taught her to love and let people in.

As for the people who say Brooke and Lucas were just about sex I say simply watch season 1 and then get back to me. The scene that stands out in my mind is when Lucas comes home and Brooke is sitting on his porch steps. She tells him he is the first guy she has ever cared for and is the only one whose opinion she cares about. She wants to know everything about him and he tells her that he feels the same way. He likes the fact that they are different and she doesn't need to change who she is because he likes her for her.

If they were just about the physical she wouldn't have so broken-hearted when he broke up her, which was BEFORE she knew about him and Peyton. She also wouldn't try to shield her heart from him by being non-exclusive. She wouldn't have gotten hurt and upset by reading a line that he wrote in a note to Peyton; a note he never gave Peyton. She wouldn't have been broken when she found the box of Peyton memrobila in his closet and she wouldn't have been so passionate at Naley's wedding if she was just about sex.

It's simple: If you watch the series with an open-mind you can admit that these two had something special. Lucas and Brooke's relantionship is what mature love is. It's about overcoming obstacles, forgiving mistakes, loving with your whole self and sacrificing yourself for the one you love. Unfortunatly, those people who argue and say they were nothing more than a warm body to each other don't watch with an open mind. As you can tell I'm a Lucas and Brooke fan but even I can admit that Lucas and Peyton did love each other.

I've always said Brooke wasn't over Lucas in season four. Just watching her sit on the porch steps looking through her scrapbook with the look of longing on on her face shows you that. She let him go to try and see what he had with Peyton and if he came back to her then she would know it's true....it's meant to be....he is the guy for her and she is the one. My theory was cemented this season when she told her mom, "And Lucas Scott is the one I would have given it up for," you could see she was still in love with him a year later. And now....we get a tender and defining moment between them thrown in our faces for a laugh. Why couldn't the writers focus on her sacrifice? We saw a scene with Lucas and Peyton in regards to his engagment why couldn't we see that with Brooke and Lucas. Their relationship is a big part of both of their lives and they were both fully invested in it. I guess I don't understand why the sudden need for everyone to be pro-Leyton at the expense of erasing the Brucas history.

It's not fair and since when did Brooke become Leyton's head cheerleader?

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If Sophia couldn't win then I'm glad Joy did.
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Enjoy the podcasts ladies; you are truly entertaining.

There are about 60 messages so far about your podcast at this site! I don't know if the posters also commented here, but It starts to get really good with the longer posts!

http://lounge.cwtv.com/showthread.php?p=4767628#post4767628

If the link doesn't show, it's a thread titled "TREE HILL'S BRUCAS AMNESIA (CW Source)" over at the CWTV Lounge for One Tree Hill.

i respect all of you guys for the podcast, but we all know that you aren't as loyal to the show as we are. First off, Sophia lost her voice, i believe she went snow boarding or shooting her new movie The Narrows, and she lost it pretty bad so she is still recovering. Second, we all know she should have won over Haley. I mean come on. It doesn't say that Sophia bush has a lesser fan base, not at all! thats just the opposite. have you ever seen the web lately? its just showing that us Sophia fans don't need a stupid poll to prove that. Bethany joy fans were just the wons who voted more, but that doesn't mean that there is more of them. Third, it seems like you guys enjoy talking down on the show, instead of discussing it. It makes me mad, and i think that this "podcast" is more about you guys picking fun at story lines, or other things regarding the show. Fourth, the reason Owen didn't realize he was dating the Brooke that Chase talked about was because he wasn't dating her when Chase told him. They were roommates, and Owen probably tried to block out all the annoying and repetitive stuff he would say about his past love life. It's gotta be pretty tedious for Owen to hear. Plus, how do we even know that Owen told Chase Brooke's name, when Owen didn't even tell Brooke Chase's name? No one can be sure. So please, know your information before you speak. Don't take this wrong, i love what you guys do, but just take my advice in consideration. Thank you, i look forward to hearing good things on the next podcast. Overall, you guys discussed good material though.

Great podcast! I pretty much agree with what all you guys said, love hearing your opinions. I like that it was longer, more food for thought.

I think Jamie stole the episode this week he was just so adorable and he delivered his lines with such sincerity that only a child can really tap into. When his little voice broke at the end of the episode when he was talking to Nathan, it broke my heart. Also when he was showing Skills the bunny and pretended to scare him his laugh was so genuine, sigh. This whole Mouth story line its really nothing new he has gotten hot girls since season one, so I kind of use to it by now.

I’m a huge Nathan and Haley fan, loved them since season one, and I really don’t mind all the drama with them right now because if Mark is true to form then when they get back together its going to be great. Fans have been through a lot with this couple so you kind of get used to all the ups and downs. (“Kind of” being the optimum word) Yet, I guess with any great plot, the struggles in the relationship are what add to the characters chemistry.

I feel really bad for all the leyton and brucas fans because this is just not your season. I mean, at least Nathan and Haley have been pretty strong for five years and together the whole time. It seems Lucas really can’t keep a steady girlfriend for long. I don’t really like Lucas all that much he is too indecisive with what he wants, relationship wise.
As for Brooke and Owen I think they are cute together but for me they just don’t have that spark that would push them towards becoming a power couple.

OTH needs to bring on another leading male, could you imagine if Dean from Supernatural joined the show, sigh, lol. Or even if Jake came back, he looked so good at the Lakers game with James, which would be so awesome.

Then there would be another leading male for Brooke or Peyton to contend for that is totally drool worthy. Anyway great job!! Can’t wait for next week episode!

I so agree with the portion about Sophia's voice. I do know she caught a cold snowboarding in Canada and she says that cold air makes her voice hoarse but I still always find myself making excuses for her voice because I don't want my friends thinking I'm in love with a girl whose voice is always like that. I really wanted Brooke to win the Hotness Bracket but if Brooke couldn't win I guess I'm glad Haley did. Brooke and Haley were neck in neck and it was pretty much even so Brooke did pretty well. And finally, I CANT stand Leyton. Brooke and Lucas are THE couple and I hate that their relationship has been forgotten and pretty much just used as a vehicle to promote Leyton.

Ladies, you had me laughing through the whole Podcast. You girls are awesome!

I’ve been listening every week, and today I was at a revue and all I could think about was the Podcast, so I started discussing what you guys said with myself in my head, so when I come home I figured it was time to leave a comment.

First of all; Mia, I love your laughter, and not to mention you voice! It’s incredible. It makes me smile, really, I love it! And Sarah, seriously I adore your opinions, or at least when you say your opinion. You got me nodding like a crazy person to what you’re saying, haha. Oh and the impressions; LOVE IT! Jackie, I love how you see everything from everyone’s point of view, I really like your opinions! Huge fan from Norway, here! “Did Owen look a little bad this episode?” “No!”

Okay, back to the main point of this comment. You’ve probably read numerous of comments like this, but what the hell; I love you guys SO much for talking about how BL has been forgotten! I’m a BL shipper, and I don’t think that’ll ever change. I’ll be a hardcore Brucas fan till they day I die! And when you mentioned BL I smiled from ear to ear. It is so nice of you to mention them, because almost every BL fan feel ignored at this point. And for the two of you who haven’t seen Season 2 and 3, you don’t know what you’re missing. I mean, I don’t think any TV show can top those two seasons. They were beyond amazing, and beyond great. I highly recommend them! And Mark really built up a perfect couple… Only to let their fan base down in the future it seems…

I really hope Mark steps up to his fans, because right now he’s not doing crap. Sorry to say it, but I’m major disappointed in Mark this season… And last season. He has ignored us for two seasons in a row and if he thinks he gave us a BL closure in season 4 he’s deadly wrong, haha.

I don’t see how Lucas can go from loving Brooke, to loving Peyton, then back to Brooke, then suddenly Peyton is the one again and now he’s marrying Lindsay. He just comes out as a bastard!

I do believe that there are still feelings between Brooke and Lucas, and there always will be. Brooke even said that Lucas was the only person she could give everything up for because Brooke thinks the world of Lucas. So I guess that’s something, but with everyone supporting LP I don’t see how BL can even reunite. Mark’s got the whole town worrying about Peyton and how she feels. This is not the freaking Peyton-show. Everything does not need to revolve around here. And it’s very unrealistic that everyone would support LP like that, when they know Lucas is marrying Lindsay.

OK, I’m calm again. Sorry about that, I just needed to get some frustration out. Sorry you Peyton fans, I had to get it off my chest.

Well, it seems like every BL shipper has summed up everything, so there’s not much more for me to say, because I basically agree to them. I don’t see the chemistry with LP and Owen is just another new guy so I don’t see him with Brooke at all…

Oh and about Sophia’s voice. It’s sexy as hell, but yeah, sometimes it might be a little too much, but I’m thinking she’s sick. I haven’t heard her voice this raspy before, but I’m guessing working long hours is affecting her voice. It is damn sexy though.

Well, I guess that was what I had on my mind for now. Looking forward to your next Podcast!

So, I enjoyed the banter about Sophia Bush's voice. I kinda like it. I for one have a thing for sexy voices. That having been said...

Mia, are you single? ;)

Just a moment to add - remember Lucas said to Peyton in the first season "I want everything with you" - she's his FIRST LOVE and the girl he had a crush on for years (confirmed by Karen).
As for the Brucas fans complaints of suffering, Leyton fans can understand and sympathize (BELIEVE ME!) with what you're saying - we've been there (for a long 2 1/2 years). They have every right to support their couple (I think sometimes people go to far and bash the couple they don't like though). Support the one you like but don't insult the other. I agree that bashing Mark is not right either, if it weren't for him there wouldn't be a show or these great characters!
IMO because Lucas and Peyton had that first intense emotional moment they are destined to be together.
Actually, I kinda think that because Lucas has been so weird this season, the Breyton friendship is my favorite "couple"!

Hey guys! I thought you guys were right on about pretty much everything this week.

As far as the Brucas stuff, I think Mark will deliver on this one. He's never let us down before (with the exception of Mouth's story lines this season.)He knows that there is a strong Brucas fan base and I don't think the writers can ignore it. It'll be interesting to see what they decide to do though.

And can I just say how very, very happy I was Brooke finally fired Victoria. I'm sure Bitchtoria isn't done tormenting her daughter, but I was wondering what your take is on V possibly trying to do something to make C/B go under.

And I'm torn between Chase or Owen for Brooke. They are both great for Brooke and both are incredibly hot but I think Brooke needs a little bit of both. Owen is the strong and protective type. He keeps her on her toes and gives her that challenge she hasn't had since S1 with Lucas. But Chase gives her the inner confidence she really needs sometimes. I just don't know. I think it will definately create some drama.

As far as Nathan and Haley are concerned, I really wish that the writers would stop messing with them. I know that a happy couple with their happy and smart kid doesn't make for good drama TV but come on!!! Can't they just once have a few bliss filled months?!

Oh and Dan, how pointless was that story line with the "employee" from the sporting store. How did she not know who he was?! I mean he was the freakin mayor for crying out loud. There was a ton of press coverage for the Mayor Election as well as when Dante hit Haley with the car. He doesn't look that different. Oh which reminds me... Paul relaly needs to shave!!! P.S. That chick is hooker that Psycho Derek stabbed in S4.

I also liked the scene with Rachel, Peyton and Brooke when Chase showed up. I wish they would have more scenes like that.

All in all I think it was a great episode. I can't wait to see next weeks wedding episode. YAY KAREN IS BACK!!! Maybe we'll find out where Deb has been.

TO Polish_girl,

I totally disagree! In the flashback episode, when Lucas kissed Brooke, she seemed the EXACT OPPOSITE of over him! She teared up, choked up, and told him that she was going to leave. She told him that his heart was broken, and he should immerse himself in work, like she does when she's heartbroken (like she did whenever he broke her heart). Next thing you know, she starts a massive part of her company, right after saying that Lucas Scott is the one boy she would have given everything she has up for.

Awesome podcast as always girls :)

Okay so how much do I love you all for talking about brucas and saying how every single brucas fan feels? LOl the answer a lot ;)

I am just really annoyed with the way the writers go so far as to not even acknowledge what brooke and lucas shared and make Leyton out to be true love or whatever,to glorify a relationship thats foundations are based on cheating,lying and hurting others is ridiculous.Marks even gone so far as to now say lucas always loved peyton was in denial with anything else that happened before those leyton got together. Thats absolutle crap,Firstly he ignores BL completly giving us only a few scenes and whenever we do get one its always has to be about Peyton,its not Peyton Hill yet why is it everything revolves around her?I hate the fact the writers also tear down brucas at every opportunity they get just so they can make LP look better .Im a brucas fan and the fact that now the BL fanbase half the time now tune in hoping that for once our couple wont be bashed really does show the way this show has gone.

Mark says brucas fans arent ignored yet season 4 and 5 show we are and he doesnt care one bit.Oh and also for the lpers out there saying brucas had closure in season 4 thats dumb lol do you watch the show?because it was obvious she wasnt over him ,she put his happiness above her own and let him go thats what real selfless is ;) its not what peyton did in season 5 by telling him she loved him but she was gonna be selfless if it was what he wanted LMAO its not selfless when you basically ask for that title not to mention that she still continued to try and hurt lindsay.

Brooke is now being turned into some LP fan which even at one point told peyton to go get her man which goes against everything brooke is against,shes always been so vocal in the fact how she hated the way Peyton went after lucas when brooke was with him yet now she tells peyton to go get lucas? Yeah right thats completly stupid

Season 4 sucked as all they ever did that season was try to rewrite history and take back all the amazing moments BL shared and season 5 is absolutly the same . The best thing that made me crack up so much when lucas book apparantly says how he had a moment of clarity at the basket ball game (season 4)that peyton was the one for him LMAO hmm wonder when that happened?considering he didnt even go to her till brooke told him to ;) and something also about that moment peyton once said in season 4 to him "who do you want beside you when your dreams come true?" and he says "brooke" and guess who was a his side first at the game? it was brooke not peyton ;) and also this season when his book is going to be published whos there when his dreams come true again? Brooke .

Mark says were not being ignored well then he should explain how he thinks that considering theres a whole lot of nothing and just so everyone knows not everyone likes LP nor do they believe in this twisted story of true love its crap.

Sorry for the rant girls lol I just wish mark would be fair to all fanbases instead of the blers having to sit through all this crap about LP belonging together just cause mark likes that couple better**rolls eyes**

Someone needs to let markie know that Cheating,Lies and selfish deeds dont conclude in True Love ;) and also treat the bl fanbase with the respect they deserve instead of this constant memory loss stupidity its a joke!

LOL anyways thanks for the awesome podcast girls.

I only started listening to your podcasts a week ago and I got caught up. The 3 of you are awesome and hilarious! Im definitely a fan! :)

Naley: I think they've both made mistakes. Haley just couldn't take the pressure anymore. I don't believe that Naley will ever get divorced, but it'll be fun to watch how they get things back on track. The scene where Haley said "Im done trying to change you" reminded me of when Lucas told Brooke "Im not gonna fight for you anymore." I wanted to slap Haley when she kept dismissing Jamie. I'm sure she didn't want be mean, but my god she was just like "ok. then go play. go." I loved Nathan's scene with Jamie at the end too. I agree. Jackson was fantastic. His frown just breaks your heart. Btw I did not realize his floppy eared bunny named Chester was a real bunny!

Browen: I love them. I've never liked any of the guys they paired Brooke with. Lucas was okay, but Felix and Nick and Chase were all so bleh. Owen's a real man and he's got such a great personality. Their scene with Jamie was just too cute.

Chase: I was suprised to see him. He looked good I guess, but he looked so young compared to the rest of them. I've never really been a fan of Chase. I did like his scenes with Peyton though. I loved how he said "Lucas 3 o'clock" after he kissed her. It was fun to watch his scenes with Peyton.

Lucas and Lindsey: Did you guys think their scene in the beginning was so cheesy. "You're so bad." "Why don't you be bad with me." UGH! It was so lame and corny. I was suprised that Haley called him and said that. Totally not expected. I cant wait to see how the next episode goes down.

Victoria: I used to like her character. She was entertaining, but my god she was just such an evil btch this episode. The way she spoke to Rachel and then Brooke. Dan was evil, but I believed deep down he did love his sons. With Victoria I really doubt she loves Brooke, but I was so excited and proud of Brooke at the end.

Bevin: "O.M.G. R.A.V.E.N.S." lol. I liked that they brought her back, but she was so much ditzer in the ep than she was in high school. I didnt like how they made her and tim seem even more pathetic than they were in highschool. I dont know. Something about it just annoyed me.

Skills is completely amazing. Mouth is just there. I dont know why they made a big deal of him and Rachel. They had a maybe-sort-of-not-really-fling in highschool and its 4 years later.

Dan: I absolutely love Dan so I enjoyed those 2 scenes. His been in jail for 5 years so its understandable why he'd leave with cashier chick. Obviously she's not too bright. She let Psycho Derek treat her as a hooker and abuse her so she has bad luck with men.

Looking forward to your next podcast.
PS: You should make them longer :)

"The characters grew up, moved away and became adults."

To me some of them behave even more childish than they did in HS...

And I don't want them to mention Brucas each and and every episode but if they mention it they should do it in some respected way or at least appropriate way...and Brooke making fun of her biggest love and making it a little adventure on the way to Leyton-meant-to-be is just over the top...it's so unbelievable...

All you people say Brooke is totally over Lucas since some episode in season 4...well you should watch the flashback episode were she tells him that after they broke up she had to work, to forget about him and in this flashback episode she agrred on going to the next level with her company after she spend an evening with Lucas...again work to forget...and she even said: Lucas is the only person I coul give everything up for...

So don't say she is over him since 4.08 or .09 because she is not and you don't forget your biggest love especially when you got hurt by him twice.

Mark is being really unfair to Brucas fans and as always he is forgetting so many details...and it's not the first time...

Bring Jake back! :)

Hey guys, thanks Sarah for the mention i felt very special! My name is Shailee btw :) i just wanted to say that a few podcasts ago you mentioned tim; his importance is that he was nathans best friend so it was ironic that he named his son after him! also skills is important because he told haley when she was pregnant that he would 'always have his back' that is jamies, because haley sais she was afraid he wouldn't fit in. Also about sohpie's raspy voice - Mia didn't you work with her - wouldn't you know if she had a raspy voice, and i've seen a few interviews and she is very raspy - its her natural state. also what is you power for the show - as in could you ask people at the show about say the importance of certain events (such as haley calling lucas?) anyway you guys are the highlight of my week, mia i LOVE ur music, Sarah keep up the greatness, jackie - you have to convince them to watch all the eps!! and remeber - ur the highlight of my week (after watching the ep that is!!)
p.s - can u ask on the podcast if ppl who leave coments could leave sites/links where you can find Bethany joy song?!!! thanks guys!!

lots of love from down under Syney!!- shailee xox

First of all, great podcast. I enjoyed the comments on Mouth and would have to agree, what's up with all the female attention he's been getting?

Also.. I have to agree with a comment made by lauren earlier, couldn't have said it better myself. I am a leyton fan, however I love Brooke.

I understand how a lot of people are Brucas fans because Brooke is fabulous, but I also think that some of these comments left by Brucas'ers are a bit too intense.. let's try to keep on track guys. There are some nasty comments in here. Especially towards Mark Schwahn, let's remember guys.. he's the writer/creator of your favorite show, so lets tone it down ;)

Hopefully there are more seasons to come, and who knows what will happen? Let's retract the horns/claws :)

I also agree with the Skillz comments.. I have always enjoyed scenes with Skillz. He is great, and he has awesome chemistry with Jamie. He's usually the funny one and always has high spirits, but I like how he told Haley like it is this episode. He stepped up and I really enjoyed that moment.

Jamie and the frown pancake? God love doesn't he break your heart! I can't believe that I enjoy a kid on this show so much but he is the cutest thing--and his acting skills are impeccable.

Also, for a couple soon getting married, Lucas and Lindsey didn't seem overally excited, or nervous, or anything really. I don't understand why Lindsey can't see that not only is Lucas inlove with someone else.. but there is no chemistry between them (anymore at least). I don't understand why she is so blind to that. She's cute but not a believable "inlove" couple.

One of my favorite parts--Chase kissing Peyton because he knew that Lucas was looking. Sweet adorable, that was too cute =). Last season he hardly even knew Peyton, aside from knowing she was Brooke's best friend. Randomly he kisses her just so Lucas would be possibly jealous. I enjoy Chase, he's just so nice.

Owen and Brooke--love them together. It's like Brooke finally found a guy that was more her type. She has usually dated wusses in the last seasons-as much as we all love Lucas--let's admit that he's all about the mushy stuff. Even Felix, after the ront he put on he was a sissy too.. all about not getting his poor heart broken. Owen is more of a man, he fits Brookes personality better, and he's hot!

Dan hooking up with a random clerk? That's hilarious. Dan is getting his booty right out of jail, way to go! Kind of strange however, how he told her while in bed that he was a murderer, considering Dan is malacious, evil and a liar. That was out of character for Dan to tell the truth, much less volunteer the information.

Anyway, can't wait for the upcoming 100th episode, I'm jacked. And can't wait for the next podcast

Thanks girls :)

Great podcast!

And I totally agree with the BL stuff, about them being forgotten about this season. I’m a hardcore BL shipper and this season makes me depressed. Don’t get me wrong, the actors/actresses are fantastic, but when it comes to Brooke/Lucas I’m very disappointed.

I guess you could say that I am jealous as hell of LP. Not only do they have numerous scenes in almost every episode this season, they got plenty of scenes in season 2 and 3 when they were just friends. As where BL hardly has any, now that they’re friends. It doesn’t seem fair to me.

Not only is LP being mentioned in almost every episode, they also have a huge fan base in their hometown (Brooke, Haley, Nathan, Skills, The girl in Peyton’s room, Keith’s spirit, sometimes Lindsay, Mia… the list goes on). Is it any wonder they believe they are meant to be when everyone is cheering for them, telling them they are?

Mark shouldn’t have built up BL they way he did, creating a HUGE fan base if he was just going to let them down in the future. And not to mention the mistake they did with our beloved letters. Is 82 letters so hard to remember? That was one of my favorite scenes ever, and they broke my heart when they couldn’t even get that right. He keeps saying that BL fans shouldn’t feel ignored, but come on! If he’d looked at season 4 and 5 as a BL fan, he would know how mistreated we feel. We get BL scenes every half season. I’m sorry, but that does not please me… Especially not when LP have had so much more when they were friends.

I get that Mark is a LP shipper, we all do. But he should include every fan base, because right now BL’ers are feeling pretty unappreciated. He could at least give us some Godparents + Godson scenes… I do appreciate however, the fact that Brooke has scenes with Jamie. I love those two together. + Jamie is the only boyfriend in her life (for now).

What happened to the guy that fought for Brooke Davis, the guy who gave a rat’s ass about her, the guy who painted his door red for her, the guy who had given exactly two embarrassing speeches in his entire life and they both were with Brooke, the guy who claimed to be the guy for her, the guy who made the shot in 3x07 blindfolded, the guy who forgave her for sleeping with another guy, the guy who responded to her 82 letters, the guy who promised to rescue her from all of it, the guy who missed her every day when he was away, the guy who fought to get her back when she broke up with him? I miss Lucas Scott. THIS version of him!

I don’t see true love between Lucas/Peyton. In season one, they cheat! In season four they get back together, but with no chemistry. They had more chemistry in season one when they went behind Brooke’s back. Does your true love give up if he/she asks you to marry him and you answer “someday”? Brooke said that she didn’t want to be exclusive with Lucas (because she needed to know his feelings for her were real); did he give up on her? No. If Lucas had the love for Peyton he once (and I still believe he has) had for Brooke he wouldn’t have given up over a “someday”…

To me; Peyton seems to want Lucas when he’s not available. Season one: Brooke had him, Peyton wanted him. Season three: Brooke has him, Peyton wanted him. Season four +: She had him, he proposed, she answered “someday”. Season five: Lindsay has him, Peyton wants him. Do you see a pattern? Me too.

In season three Brooke tells Lucas that she loves him, and he answers back with the loveable quote “I love you too, Pretty girl”. In season four when Peyton declares her love for Lucas he answers “OH”. Does true love answer “OH” when you say you love them…Really?

And about the whole Brooke/Owen thing, sorry, don’t see them happening. To me, Owen is just another guy that’s been tossed to Brooke. And we have had plenty of those; Felix, Chris Keller, Nick, Chase, Nathan (sex-tape) and now Owen… He’s a sweet guy indeed, but we’ve seen it so many times before it’s getting old!

With every episode Mark is dragging that little piece of hope I have inside out. Everyone knows LP is Mark’s favorite little pet and it clearly shows on the show, so when/if LP reunite, I will not be surprised. I don’t get how he built BL so perfectly up, while LP had cheating and lying for the most part and when they finally got together in season four they bored the scull out of me.

BL is and always will be my favorite couple. They are destined to be together. They have a love which cannot alter! Cheery + Broody! Pretty girl + Boyfriend! I know that they broke up years ago, but pretending they never happened is just plain depressing. It ruins a part of the show, especially for the Brucas shippers. I still have hope that they’re endgame! With all that said I just have one thing left;

“People that are meant to be together always find their way in the end”

I totally agree with the whole "dan and victoria doing something really evil" But I prmoise you that nobody in tree hill could survive that. And nanny carrie is soooo evil as well...i'm starting to wander if she's like dan's daughter from yet another women, for as we know that's how dan "rolls" lol
Yeah so, great podcast, can't wait til the 100th episode, i'm sure it'll be drama packed and everyone will be on the floor when its all said and done.

~Alexa

Now I saved the best for last and since I mentioned above that I was a huge Brucas fan you knew that this one was coming... ITA with you girls on the fact that Mark seems like he forgot about season 2 and 3 when it comes to Brucas. Ok so let me get this out, I see what alot of people are saying that it is four years after high school and that they've moved on blah blah blah but honestly if i was still friends with the only person i ever truly loved (and you have to admit that Brooke has never loved anyone else like she did Lucas) and even if i didn't love him anymore and I knew my best friend did (the same person you and him broke up because of) i would not be all gun hoe about them getting together and be like "omg go and get him" I'm sorry but Brooke is way toooooo pro Leyton that is kinda fishy to me. And as for what us Brucas fans want, we want the show to acknowledge that there was once this love between them and not make it seem as though it was just some fling that happened. Can we recall that Lucas once professed that Brooke was THE ONE for him and vice versa. He truly believed that he was going to spend the rest of his life with her, and yeah you can say well they were in high school well so was Naley! Lucas spent all of season 2 pinning for Brooke, fought for her in the beginning of season 3, finally got her, and was madly in love with her the rest of season 3 and then lets not forget that Brooke broke up with Lucas in season 4 and that Lucas wanted to get back with Brooke but SHE pushed HIM away. If it was up to Lucas him and Brooke would have stayed together, and honestly Peyton and Lucas probably would have never happened again. Brooke pushed Lucas towards Peyton. But am I going to sit here and deny that Lucas and Peyton were in love hell no, i know that they were but it seems as though that is all Mark and the other writers remember. It seems as though they handle the Leyton relationship with care and try to protect it but they just throw the Brucas one around like it meant nothing. Sure they give us a few things now and again but they just throw them around. Like the 86th letter thing from the past episode, there were only 82 letters and every Brucas fan knows that. So that might have been Mark giving us something but it meant nothing because it was the wrong information. And not to mention the way that is seemed as thought Brooke was like "oh those letters" those letters were the reason her and Lucas got back together. And Lauren she did not spend her summer hooking up with random guys, if you can remember she told Lucas that she lied about how she spent her summer, that she really spent it wanting him!

But anywho.... i think deep down that all we want is the acknowledgment that these two, at some point in their lives, meant everything to each other. No you don't need to have them pinning for each other but don't disrespect an amazing love that once was. I'm sure for Jeyton fans if Jake came back they wouldn't want Mark to just have Jake all pro Leyton the way Brooke is and that they wouldn't want Mark to act like Jeyton was just some fling in an obstacle in Leyton's way. Because it wasn't and neither was Brucas.

But i have to say that there are things that give me some kinda of hope, and i know i'm pulling and strings and just setting myself up for heartbreak but lets see... for me there has to be a reason why Mark showed us in 5.05 that Brooke was obviously still in love with Lucas when they spent the night in NYC, what is that reason? Then in "In da Club" when Peyton asked Brooke why she came back and she said "duh Lucas" i know that everyone just laughed and she was kidding but Mark doesn't put random lines in like that if they don't mean something, at least i don't think so. And now last nights episode the quote was by Camus now lets take a trip back to 3.13 when Lucas was telling Brooke why he loved her (and NOT peyton) "Beacuse you quote Camus even though I've never actually seen you read" so okay they quote author's all the time on the show and Camus just happened to have the perfect quote for this episode and I am probably reading into things too much but I have to. I'm a Brucas fan and right now we are getting nothing. And now matter how bleak it looks or how much Mark and the writers try to ignore Brucas, i will always remember and love the love that they had for each other. Because for me "People that are meant to be together always find their way in the end"

Ok where to start?!? I guess with Mouth... umm yeah I love Mouth but I think you are right about all these girls throwing themselves at him, he isn't Nathan haha but I do understand because Mouth was in love with Rachel in high school and she knew that and she was feeling very vulnerable in that moment and just thought "hey i could get Mouth to sleep with me" i'm so happy that he didn't and kept true to Milli, i love them together.
I guess next would be Lucas and Lindsey... so they are kinda growing on me.. too bad that they are most likely going to be done after next episode.

Now Naley... ok so I get where Haley is coming from but I do think she is being a little irrational. She and Nathan have been through so much in the last 6 years and it seems like she is letting go too quickly. I felt so bad for Jamie the whole episode, but Skillz and Brooke come to the rescue. I think they are too cute with this little kid, he def. steals the show. I love how Skillz has kept to his word from last season, how he would always have the baby's back. And Brooke is living up to her role as his godmother.

Ok so I was soo disappointed about Bevin. Ok she was always a little airy in high school but does anyone else remember that speech she gave Rachel in "Pictures of You" when she went off on how she really isn't dumb and she is going to make something of her life and Rachel will be nothing. Umm what happened to that Bevin?!? And how in the world would you leave Skillz for Tim?!?! (Oh and btw Skillz and Bevin were soo cute together, they balanced each other out perfectly!)

I think that the Peyton and Chase scenes were cute... but still can't take Stephen seriously as an actor, every time i see him i just hear Kirsten (in her annoying voice) say STEPHEN!!! lmao... but yeah needless to say I never liked Brase haha and as for Browen, I'm loving their relationship but as a friendship. And this isn't because I am a huge Brucas fan, but to me i don't see the romantic chemistry there. I think that Owen could be one of Brooke's greatest friends. But that is just my opinion, but i get why everyone else loves them, i just love their friendship.

Soooo proud of Brooke for finally firing Bitchtoria, it was a long time coming. That scene broke my heart, but when she went home and Peyton was there to hug her, i felt ok cause I know that they will always be there for each other. Honestly Breyton is my favorite "relationship" on the show. I love them, they have been through so much together and to me it always comes down to them two, and they may have their troubles but in the end they will always love each other and be there for each other no matter what.

Now the Dan situation yeah that was just weird. And yes that was the same girl that played the hooker from last season, i guess they like to recycle actors or i wonder if it was suppose to be the same person?!? But he will def cause trouble next week...
I can't wait for next weeks episode, its going to be a good one!

Loving the podcast girls... now i'm going to post another comment on the Brucas deal because i have alot to say! haha

This podcast is one that really made me laugh. You guys were hilarious.

The episode was okay, not very stellar like previous episodes. I do agree with y'all that Dan and Victoria need to hook up together, be the resident baddies of Tree Hill. That, or get together and have one helluva bowling match.

Jamie/Jackson is jut the cutest. That was a great find for casting.

Haley and Nathan are still breaking my heart. I really hope they get to mend it soon. Very soon. And Haley telling Lucas not to marry Lindsey. Yeah..there's something in that book (if not all of it) about Peyton. If not mentioned by her real name (as in the first book), but really implied. That's my speculation. Because it just seems that the entire season is geared to get them back together.

Watching this show for five seasons, the original triangle will always be in existence, even when you don't see it on the screen. When you read message boards, the battle is still going. Brucas or Leyton? That will always be the question. When you see the first episode, you get the gist that there's gonna be something going on between Lucas and Peyton. Lucas has a crush..what will happen? But in walks Brooke Davis. Someone that he thought was just another party girl and Peyton's friend. But then he got to know her, see her as a great friend to Peyton. Then, he started to step away from his crush Peyton and began a friendship with Brooke. That friendship turned into love. The first love for both (in my opinion). But there were always insecurities looming for Brooke and that crush of Lucas'just didn't go away. Brooke and Lucas' initial break-up was so devastating for Brooke. The first person that she gave a rat's ass about let her down..and so did her best friend. Her world, new and old, was crashing down around her. But she picked up the pieces. She made amends. She started to grow up. And this is what we got to see in Season 2. This maturity that Brooke was beginning to learn about was the growth that her character needed. And Lucas showing up at her door...he knew that he would have Brooke as a friend, but he felt he was losing something else. He was losing someone that he did give a rat's ass about and he wanted to rekindle that relationship. But he stepped aside when he saw Brooke was with Felix. He wanted her to be happy. But he was there for her when she needed him, just like she was there for Peyton. At the end of Season 2, when Lucas finally told Brooke his feelings (while she herself was having the same feelings, but the insecurities were still there), a summer apart was much needed. She wanted to be with Lucas, but she needed to trust him and her heart again. And when they finally connected, when Brooke gave Lucas the 82 letters she wrote over the summer and when Lucas again said that he was the guy for her, you get to see that their connection was still there. But the insecurities began to surface again when Peyton told Brooke she had feelings for Lucas. Struggling with this information, Brooke broke up with Lucas. A tough decision to make, but one that Brooke believed she had to do. But a decision Brooke made thinking that for Lucas to be happy, then maybe he should be with Peyton. So she becomes selfless, she let's him go. But she was there for him (after a little time). She was there when he needed a push.

The build-up between Brooke and Lucas was a rollercoaster, but it was also just plain amazing. There's no way to forget that they were together. It's not something that needs to be swept underneath the rug. Yes, they dated in high school...but so did Lucas and Peyton. They were together right before they graduated and then afterwards, they may have been "together", but they didn't see one another except for three times within a year. If a person was truly in love with someone, they would make the time to be together..regardless of the circumstances.

i completely agree with the brooke/lucas comment. mark and co. seem to defiantely conveniently forget about bl . and on the off chance that they do bring them up its just a punch in the face to brooke and lucas fans. just look at the lastepisode for example when bevin came on the episode and commented about the possibility of bl getting married and she shot that down by saying i always thought that he would marry peyton. it just seems like the bl'ers cant catch a break. if someone just starting watching the show now im not sure they would have any idea that brooke and lucas even talk yet alone were in a relationship. they dont even share scenes anymore. when lucas and peyton were friends they were given PLENTLY of scenes. i think that if mark wants lucas and peyton theres nothing that the brooke/lucas fans can do about it because in the end hes gonna get his way and theres nothing we can do but at least give their fans the satisfaction that he at least acknowledges them and that they both acknowledge that they did share a lot of love towards each other because their relationship wasnt some "fling" . they stood by each other in good time and in the bad and they shared the most electric and heartfelt love on the show imo. and im not trying to take anything away from lp just bc i dont like them but as a fan in general i dont see that spark between them but rather i see two people who are confused about where their hearts really are and they mistake being in love with the amazing friendship kind of love that they have. and then i disagree about them thinking that brooke is better off with owen. they seem like they may be a cute couple ( as much as they hurts me to say as a brucas lol) but i dont see anything past a "cute" couple. bl shared so much more than the cute couple label that alot of people may have seen them as. they changed each other for the better and i dont care what anyone says they saved each other. lucas saved brooke from herself and brooke saved lucas from loosing himself when his life was in a bad place (ie. when keith died) . they were next to each other when their dreams came true and when they didnt . sorry for the rant but im completely in the love with the brooke and lucas relationship and to see them seemingly be ignored by the writers really is a slap in the face. i maybe wouldnt be as mad if i saw that they werent the right people for each other or that they werent in love with each other. but i see that they are the perfect people to each other and they are in love . and i guess thats what hurts the most. i just hope that mark sees that too and realizes that its a HUGE mistake to continue to ignore them and an even BIGGER mistake to not put them together in the end.

great podcast girls!!! i loved that it was longer!

i don't think haley was really ignoring jamie. i mean shes a mom yes, and jamie is incredibly cute, but shes doing so many things at once. like seriously, we get that he wants his parents together, but the situation is a little complicated for a 4 year old.

dan should say something really cruel to victoria. i would devilishly love that.

as far as haley is concerned, i really saw the pain in her eyes. and i understood where she was coming from. her saying this wasn't from S1 as many think. its their entire relationship.

i kinda feel like she was saying that she has expectations ,of her own, of him, (as all women do) and sometimes they are too high or overbearing. that there's this pressure thats on him. and she's done trying to make him be this perfect guy. and because he feels that pressure, he's scared to dissappoint her to the point that he hides things.
[i dont think she wants him perfect and i'm not making excuses for either of them]
but i feel like she blames herself for the reaction/pain she had/has concering nathan and their issues. shes tired of expecting something high or far off from him ( bad choice of phrasing) and needs to let him change for himself.
basically haley is letting go of her expectations of her husband to start supporting her husband.

however, nathan changed because he wanted to, not because she made him. people have free will and he definently could have stayed the person he was. yes his future with haley wouldnt have existed but he would be who he wanted to be.

like in s3, she said to him, " here's a thought, if you don't want to be like dan, don't"

and i'm a fan of all of you!! Jackie, sarah and mia

Bring True love back, bring Brooke and Lucas back!!!!!

Mark needs a check up. He must have amnesia or something. He doesn't even remember what happened in his own show!!

Excellent podcast ladies.

I agree with mostly everything you three discussed. It's was a pleasure listening.

I'm a huge Haley fan, and I love that Sarah and Mia voted for her. (Awesome.)

But I think people tend to overlook the things that happened since Nathan's-post-spine injury and just think about NH post- PsycHO Nanny. Haley has been through a lot because of Nathan. And YES they've been together for whiles now, but it has been shown this season that she has been trying to change him moreso than before. Of course Haley loves Nathan and accepts him for who he is, but this vicious cycle of lies only seems to be hurting the family more than anything else. Nathan continuously disrespects their marriage by neglecting to tell Haley information that directly effects her, and now the difference is that she has a son and she can't worry about the cute couple they once were--but of the stable family they need to be. And they can't get there unless Nathan notices the errors of his ways. In season two, he bought Haley that keyboard with their money without telling her. Season three, he hires Chris Keller behind her back. In season four, he gets in deep crap with a loan shark. And now this? Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

This Nanny Carrie buisness is just another instant where Nathan AGAIN forgets to let Haley in. Total disrespect to their family, and Haley in particular.

Nathan should have fired Carry from the get-go. So I understand that she needs time.

Sure, it can be argued that Nathan's heart was in the right place, but the sorries and 'always-and-forever's can only get one so far. Haley is obviously exhausted, as would anyone in her position.

And I forget who, but one of you said you were angry at Haley for ignoring Jamie? I don't think she was ignoring him, as much as she was trying to distance herself from Nathan which consequented in her putting some space between Jamie as well. I say this because in the beginning of the episode, she was trying to her best to get Jamie to connect with her again, with the pancakes and even with the short scene where she asks for the kiss. I think Nathan's unexpected presence made her put her guard up.

I truly believe she was trying to give Nathan/Jamie some time to bond--being that Nathan hadn't been home for a week. Also, Haley was running the whole show. She was the hostest of Lindsey's bachlorette party, what with Lucas's added party guest...that was a hectic night and she was trying to make it Lucas and Lindsey's day...which in her eyes wasn't the right time to discuss her matters.

The rest of the episode was meh. I really only care for Haley/NH but I will say I cracked up with the mention to the Token Black Guy in Not Another Teen Movie, Sophia needing Riccola (hell yes. her voice is terrible) and Mouth=Mark Schwan.

Also thanks for congratulating Haley James Scott on her win. She is by FAR the most BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS, and TALENTED girl on the CW. I'm proud to say I'm a fan.

Okay about the whole Sophia thing, she has been sick all season. She has already spoken about this a while ago and more than once. Mark has even mentioned this in his own podcast. She was losing her voice in a lot of the scenes that they had to do a voice over a couple of times but she's still sick. Hopefully she will be better for the new episodes that they are filming.

Rock Band is the new Sunkist on OTH lol.

I love Skills with Jaime. He is like the person to give wisdom like you said. It was so true about what he said how Haley and Nathan was the person that lost their sense of perspective and Skills never did. She needed to hear that.

I am SO glad that Brooke is with Owen than with Chase. Her and Chase was awkward.

I've missed Bevin but I hate how they paired her off with Tim. Bevin was NOT that ditzy when she was with Skills. I mean it kinda made sense but it was just lame. I miss the old her. They changed her this season. The way she spoke and acted.

They should put Victoria and Dan together. The whole Dan scene with the cashier girl was BEYOND creepy. Finding out u just slept with a killer? And how can she not know someone as notorious as Dan who used to be Mayor and killed someone? Not realistic.

I love Haley but she's getting on my nerves. I think she is overreacting over things. Just like with Jaime. Play Rock Band with your kid damnit! lol.

I think Haley said what she did because of what she read in Lucas' book. He probably wrote something about Peyton. It's obvious that he started to write when Peyton came back so maybe that's all he kept referring to?

I wonder if Lucas still has the tattoo he got with Brooke?

Sarah - I will now remember your name. I promise.

About Haley calling Lucas, as soon as she was on the phone I knew she was calling Lucas to say that he can't marry Lindsey. At first and still a little bit now, I was thinking that Lucas gave his manuscript for Haley to edit first because it was about Peyton; he started writing again, had that all-nighter thing, after Peyton came back and they had some interaction. I was thinking he didn't really want to show Lindsey that, and then Haley read it and realized how much he really cared for Peyton.
But then again, maybe he wrote about Lindsey and it sucked horribly so she was saying it that way: you write fabulously about Peyton, you suck at writing about Lindsay, therefore you really love Peyton.
And then aside from that, Mark Schwann has always seemed to want to make sure everyone remembers the eternal, intense best friend relationship that Lucas and Haley have. She could just be the one to first say it because of that.
BUT BESIDES THAT, if Lindsey was right there next to the phone, wouldn't she have been able to hear Haley on the other end? If it's quiet, you can hear cell phones clear across a big room. What about from three inches? Sleeping or not. Still.

I don't know. It's all very interesting to ponder, seriously, but none of it really matters I don't think. Just like Haley and Nathan will never get divorced, Lucas is not going to marry Lindsey next week. It should be like Tree Hill law or something.

Do you realise, Brucas Forever, that there are some people that actually find Haley really hot? Not wearing revealing clothes all the time or being dressed in frumpy clothes by the costume department to pimp out Nanny Carrie's 'hotness' doesn't equal not having a great body.
Why does it have to be about popularity? We clearly have different opinions, some think that Sophia is the hottest woman in the world, some think it is Joy, the others - that Hil is the one. It's not like people voted for Haley because they love her despite Sophia being in the back of their minds as "the hottest one". Maybe some did. But there are tons of people who actually think that Joy/Haley is hotter than Sophia/Brooke. Shocker, huh? There's no need to get worked up about OPINIONS.

I do not understand exactly what people want in regards to Brooke and Lucas. Sure they had a relationship but it was just a typical high school one; a very brief one in Season 1 where Lucas cheated on her and spent the entire time wanting to end it with her so he and Peyton could be together. There was nothing for them again till he turned up at her door in Season 2 and then Brooke left after he told her how he felt and she spent her summer in LA getting with as many guys as she could. When they finally began again in Season 3 Brooke spent the entire time insecure about Lucas’s feeling for her and was constantly wondering what he really felt for Peyton. Brooke ended things in the first episode of Season 4 and they took some time apart before they went to the Basketball Banquet together in episode 8 where they came to the conclusion that they weren’t meant to be and they both moved on with their lives and to different relationship during the rest of the Season. It is now over 4 years since they mutually moved on – what exactly is it people expect to happen with them. Are they supposed to mention every episode that they dated in high school? Is Brooke to pine for Lucas forever, never be allowed to have another relationship? How is the show rewriting history, they have acknowledged that they had a relationship and that it didn’t work out. People ask what happened to the Lucas that said he way the guy for Brooke, well he told her after that he was wrong, he wasn’t the guy for her or do people forget that. If the show had come back in Season 5 having moved only a few months forward with the timeline then maybe they could reference Brooke and Lucas past relationship more, maybe Brooke wouldn’t be as supportive of Peyton as she is now but it didn’t, it came back 4 years later. The characters grew up, moved away and became adults. Season Four ended with Brooke and Chase together and Peyton and Lucas together, did people really expect that 4 years later Brooke and Lucas would still be going on about their ill fated high school romance, as Brooke keeps pointing out, they are no longer in high school. Obviously fans of the Brooke/Lucas relationship are not going to be happy with the way things turned out but the show has to move forward with the story otherwise they might as well have stop at the end of Season 4; what would be the point of returning for a Fifth Season if it was just going to be a rehash of the first four?

Mouth and Rachel never slept together. They were referencing the hotel where Rachel bailed on him and he got stuck in the town and hotel all by himself. I guess she was saying she's gonna make it up to him.

I totally agree with you about Haley pulling things out of nowhere! And she ignored Jamie and never let Nathan talk to her and get things out!

My English professor pronounced Camus the same way Lucas did... lol

I hate that Brooke is seeming to be a Lucas-Peyton fan! They're making it seem that everyone loves them! I totally agree with you about the selective memory loss! And Brooke was so much better with Lucas! She seemed so in love.

I think people voted for their favorite character for the hottie bracket, not the hottest like it was supposed to be, so I guess we should have known Haley would win.

Not everyone holds on to their highschool exes forever. Brooke obviously isn't. They moved on. big freakin deal. Yeah BL had some nice moments together, most of which were overshadowed by Brooke's insecurity about LP. It's ALWAYS been about LP and it always will be.

I agree with the comments about Brooke and Owen. I think they are incredibly refreshing, and I hope Owen sticks around.

I can't wait to hear you girls' comments on the 100th! It's going to be crazy, that's for sure.

This was an awesome podcast and Sarah don't feel like you only have one fan! I am all your fans, you guys rock especially Mia.

I totally agree about the Brucas thing being a Brucas shipper, I get that they broke up four years ago and they're are probably over each other but I doubt it. No offense to Mark but everyone knows he's absolutely in love with Peyton and she gets so much drama but after a while you get annoyed and think is anything ever going to happen to anyone else. I want Brooke to have a good storyline because the ones she has right now is interesting but it's not really a 'wow' factor.

I pretty much agree with you guys on everything besides Browen, I hate them together. I am shipping Rowen which Rachel/Owen by the way. But anyways Mia, Sarah and Jackie, you rock!

Another great podcast. I just have to comment on the Haley/Lucas phone call. From my POV, I saw it as after Haley read Lucas' book she realized that she doesn't want to lose Nathan, and that Lucas really loves Peyton. And she doesn't want Lindsey to get hurt, likes she been hurt throughtout the years. I personally am a Lindsey/Lucas shipper, but I have a feeling that Lucas/Peyton are going to end up together.

Sarah I agree about Haley, I understood where she was coming from in this episode, and I'm a Haley fan, always,but I did think she was acting a little irrational towards Jamie. But she really had so much going on, and her husband who was gone for a week, without speaking, is here in her house. But still, I don't think she should have acted that way towards Jamie. I think she realized it when Skills talked to her though. Ever since 4.14, last season, Skills said he would have Jamie's back, and he does.

YESS Sarah and Mia thanks for voting for Haley in the Hottie Bracket! I'm so happy she won! Us Haley fans were scared at first she was going to lose, but our fans pulled through!

I disagree about the BL relationship. They put an end to things mutually in ep 4.08, there was definite closure for them. Whitey was talking about his wife Camilla and how he would never forget her as his first love. At the end of the night B & L both agreed that he wasn't talking about them; that they were friends and not destined to be together. There have been references to their relationship in several episodes. Most notably in 5.05 when Lucas kised Brooke and she pushed him away saying "you love Peyton and I love Peyton" and telling him what he did was stupid. Brooke doesn't want Lucas as a love interest. There were also a couple of references in the library episode. One from Mia and the other from Haley.
BTW, I've noticed you have a tendency to speak of LP with a note of disdain. Is that a personal preference? To me, the whole tone of the show this season is rolling toward LP being destined to be together. No matter what the dialogue is, there are camera shots of meaningful glances and teary eyes from both characters.
I thought Stephen Coletti looked a lot better this time than before. I thought the kisses between Chase and Peyton were cute and fun. No emotional baggage for a change! Maybe they should hook-up.
I agree with you about Owen and Brooke. Owen seems to be the only guy in Tree Hill capable of acting like a mature adult. It's a big bonus that he is very sexy! Brooke deserves a man like that.
Also agree about Mouth. He is a great friend and, as all women know, we love a good, sensitive guy, but, this is pretty farfetched.
Peyton, Rachel and Brooke were so great in the Chase scene. There should be more of those type of lighthearted, funny moments.
I have enjoyed the Brooke and Peyton friendship this year so much. I think it's been my favorite
"relationship" this year LOL! The hug at the end of the episode was so sweet. It's nice to see women as great friends who support one another!
Haley has been rigid this year, I think with everyone, especially Nathan. He didn't do anything that bad and she wouldn't let him explain. She talked with Peyton earlier in the season about getting married and having Jamie and she sometimes forgets she is so young. Maybe she is finally reacting to all the pressure. Also, I agree that he has changed, maybe she should?!
Skills is like the Wilford Brimley of the show this year! He dispenses wisdom to the adults while loving and bringing fun to Jamie's turbulent little life. I love him! In the preview, I love that he brings beer and is tailgating at the wedding!!
Victoria and Dan together! Wow, if they teamed up it would be the end of Tree Hill as we know it!

We really...really...REALLY felt like strangeling victoria after watching this episode!!!!... we mean, Dapne zuniga did such an incredible job on bitching on Brooke & Rachel...it was a really powerful performance!...also, Danneel's (Rachel) acting really has improved over the past year or so...we loved her before but she really did a great job in the past 2 episodes...she's rumored to have another main-cast-credit in Season 6..so we hope that's the case!!!

Also, Sophia did an amazing job this episode...and we're totally rooting for either Brachel (Brooke/Rachel LOL) or Browen (Brooke/Owen)...too adorable!!!!!!

great job on the podcasts!!! and don't worry...we know your names haha

Great podcasts...hope there will be lots to follow!!!!!

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Great podcast guys! You mentioned about Sophia's raspy voice - apparently, according to Mark Schwan, she has been overworking herself and not sleeping enough. She had to do a lot of the sound recording in the studio aswell. Poor Sophia, hopefully over the break shes had a chance to recover and her voice will be back to normal by the time we see 513.
Best bits of the episode were Chase and Peyton - they were really cute together, and all the scenes with Jamie in:)He is too cute!!
Can't wait for the BIG wedding next week!! It better be amazing, as its our last OTH for a while:(

Awesome podcast.

And totally right about the Brooke/Lucas stuff. Do the writers think we actually have amnesia or something?

BL got build-up for two whole seasons and Brooke's only one true love has been Lucas. And now we're supposed to believe they were only some sort of fling!?

Yeah, that's gonna fly!? NOT.

Mark should watch his god damn own show. He doesn’t even remember the big BL reunion scene if 3.09 because if he did he would know Brooke only wrote 82letters that summer not 86 like they had Brooke saying in this episode. Seriously, Mark must know every single BL fan on this planet will remember that scene and he could not even get that right. He wrote that episode and I just cannot believe no one on set or crew would correct him.

What happened to the Lucas Scott who told Brooke: "Im the guy for you Brooke Davis.... you'll see."

Can we please have him back... he might have remembered there was a time he was truly in LOVE with Brooke and he wanted to be with her when he could have had Peyton if he wanted... but he pined for Brooke for 1 and ½ season before they finally actually got back together the 2nd time.

I do not think I've ever seen another writer slap one fanbase like Mark has done with the Brucas fans in S5. And I've watched a lot of teen shows with triangles as a big aspect in them for example 90210 with Brenda/Dylan/Kelly (BD ftw!) and DC with Pacey/Joey/Dawson (PJ ftw!)

You know he cant even give us friendship BL scenes without them always having to talk about Peyton. I mean he says on the pod cast that BL fans are NOT ignored as they say. Seriously, how do you not call this being ignored? We couldn’t even get a Brooke/Jamie/Lucas scene in last nights episode which could have easily happened if Markie wanted to but no instead we get Owen there. Its so very annoying!

I know you girls think Owen/Brooke is better than Brooke/Lucas but watching this show for 5 yrs and having several yrs of BL build-up and relationship just makes Brooke/Owen pale in comparison. They got nothing on Brucas!

About the episode. Victoria is such a evil bitch but she's a character you love to hate and the last Brooke/Victoria scene was so heartbreaking. One of the best in S5. I love everything about Brooke/Victoria interaction on the show and Im sure we will see her again even if she doesnt work for CoB anymore.

Jamie is one adorable kid.

Nadia, LP might be true love for you but it sure as hell isn't for me. He did propose to Peyton but you do reliaze LP only saw each other 3 times in one year and before that they dated like 2 months in High School. 3 times of a whole year!!? Try to convince me how that could ever be true love. I know they could have been really busy but if you really care about that person you take the time to go see him/her even if you live across country.

Just my opinion. Brooke and Lucas are more true love than Lucas and Peyton will ever be. But I guess in Mark's world true love is about cheating and I guess if thats the case LP win hands down.

I'm sorry I completely disagree on the Brooke/Lucas front.

It's been 4 years/almost 5 since BL have been together.

It was high school, it wasn't like they were married

Brooke is obviously completely over (BL's what 5 month relationship)

Yes they loved each other, but 4 years later it's over.

LP is obviously meant to be, I will always and have always believed this.

Why do people asume that BL have to still be pining away at each other?

It was high school.

LP was so much more then that. Lucas proposed to her and they were together for almost two years, plus all their season 1 action.

That's just my opinion, but I love you girls <3

Great podcast.
The girl who played the cashier who slept with Dan, I think that's the same girl (same actress) that played the fake Peyton Psycho Derek paid for sex, she put on a wig and the same clothes as Peyton, it was sick.

And I think that Haley told Lucas not to marry Lindsay because he gave her his manuscript and I think there must be something about Peyton in there... It’s just a guess.

Oh and another thing. I think Victoria took the money... Probably not but I hope so. I like Rachel.

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Another great podcast, my day sucked but you made me laugh. ;)

Naley - Haley's speech was so farfetched...I mean he changed like 6 years ago because he loved her and she is talking about it now...?

I agree with you on the whole Mouth plot...I mean it's really unrealistic, you know?

Owen - he was great! but it was a bit weird that it took him that long to put the pieces together...they have chemistry...Chase is a boy but Owen is a man. ;)

Victoria - finally.

Dan - I find it weird she didn't know who he was and that their was nothing about his trial...he was the mayor of Tree Hill! but this girl was stupid to go out with a total stranger.

I totally agree on Brucas...I mean how come she talks about it like it was a fling...and this comment about the letters in this episode was inappropriate...they mattered to her so much and they brought them back together...

and last but not least...I'm sick of Lucas and his novels...he really writes only about his life...and this bla bla about hearts and healing was so boring...and Haley telling him he shouldn't marry Lindsey...she shouldn't be the one who is telling him this...

Oh and I didn't like how B and P commented on the Naley situation...the Jude Law line was funny but inappropriate and Peyton saying: didn't we warn her?...two great friends? right...

Oh and this Camus-thing - I noticed it too and it struck me.

Oh and one more thing: did you notice that the girl from the store was played by the same actress who played the prostitute who PsychoDerek hired?

Your podcast is great!Witty and smart! :)

This episode was pretty good. It seems like every week the show ends too soon. I really liked how Lucas and Lyndsey trying to get Nathan and Haley back together. Although, I didn't really like the way Haley was acting toward Nathan and Jamie. I thought it was great that Chase was Peyton's blind date. It was very funny scene with all of them on the way to the party. I also liked that Skills was taking care of Jamie during the party. Although I wish Haley would have paid more attention to him. Another thing I found funny was when Bevin showed up at Macy's. I am so proud of Brooke for firing her mother, not only as the CEO of C/B, but as her mother. I don't know if this will make Victoria more mean or make her see the light. I'm thinking it will make her a meaner person. All in all I really enjoyed this episode. I can't wait until next week with the 100th episode. I was hoping it would be a 2hour event, but no luck.