Romney zooms ahead among likely straw pollers

Mitt Romney the Republican Al Gore. Does anyone really want this guy for their president??? Scary thought that one. Varmints or is it varments ( John D. He likes to correct my spelling ) be afraid. Be very afraid!!! p.s. did I get it right little Johnny.

Exclusive: Romney Tops YouTube Video Rankings
Complete coverage, totals and results.
http://hammer2006.blogspot.com/2007/05/exclusive-top-presidential-candidate.html

Politics and opinions aside, the FACT is, based on our knowledge of the job of a president as an executive with managerial and administrative duties, ROMNEY is the BEST QUALIFIED candidate, the most competent based on his experiences, character and intelligence! THOSE ARE FACTS! FACTS! FACTS! Place him with all other candidates (Republican or Democrat) and he is a man among boys - another FACT! Just watch the debates!

Ken,

Shouting "FACTS!" like a fifth-grader is not a convincing argument.

Romney has a history of switching positions at the drop of a hat, which is going to bite him in the backside come the actual elections.

Logic Imprisoned, you call yourself a moderate with a post like that?

Question for all you Left Wing Loons: Why do you folks have such an obsession for me? John E likes to find out where I work, where I live, post as me, etc. Now, here, Mr. No Logic brings me in to this post right off the bat!

Sheesh!!

Mitt is the man. You bet yore boots. Even looks presidential. Looks presidential?? What does that mean? Oh, I see, looking presidential is having the face of a middle aged member of the caucasian ethnic group and line him up with nine other middle aged members of that group, Mitt is the one all Americans would like to see on a daily basis delivering the latest pablum. Right? Not!! We are tired of looking at middle aged males of the caucasian ethnic group delivering pablum and looking, uh, presidential. As a matter of fact we are tired of seeing a long line of photographs of middle aged (you get the message). Time for a change for a change. What do they have that others do not have. Well, besides looking presidential, not much.

When is someone going to ask Willard, (yes, that's his name) about his magic underwear?

John D
"Why do you folks have such an obsession for me?"

Maybe because you are obsessed with belittling people with your Loony labels, even those of us who try to present valid points and arguments. You lump sum people as the evil loony left, you get lumped as the intolerant right.

Sheesh indeed!

And regarding the article: What happened to the lovefest for Rudy G, that pillar of strength we saw walking around the ruins of 9/11 (was he looking for his emergency command center?) I thought he was a shoe-in because of his masterful (?) leadership walking around Manhattan.
I still am intrigued by Ron Paul. He had the audacity to actually say maybe our jacking around in the middle east bit us in the butt on 9/11 and big bad Rudy had to set him straight. I thought Ron was spot on. I dont forgive anyone for attacking an innocent civilian, but what happens when you keep poking a hornets nest with a stick?
I know its very un-macho to suggest that some of Americas actions might have consequences, I mean we're the mighty America who can do no wrong and dont mess with Texas, but I'm not very macho to begin with and never played football in High School.
ha

weinerdog43

At least Romney has a “magic” underwear, and “keeps it on” while other top tier Republican candidates have been quite easy on dropping theirs - and if you’re a Democrat, need I remind you of a fellow Democrat president who may not have worn one during his 8 years?!?!!...LOL!

Sorry, erick, I don't buy it is our fault 9/11 happened or our fault that there are head-chopping Islamic terrorists.

So, why then were hundreds killed at an Indonesian resort? Hundreds killed in Spain? Or why do they keep killing each other?

The head-chopping Islamic terrorist is not a rational person. Factions of Islam are just plain over the edge. Plain and simple.

And, have I specifically cited you as a Loony Lefty? And who exactly have I called a loon that presented valid points and arguments?

IN reality, someone like Leo T and a few other libs have presented valid points and arguments in which I engaged them with legit debate, only to see Leo T and others get attacked not by me, but by loony lefters.

Cheney in 08!!!!!!!!!!

And, have I specifically cited you as a Loony Lefty?
Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 1:10:13 PM

Erick, Bush spends more time at the ranch than in the Oval Office? Really? Did you get that www.madeupinformationmyleftwingloonybuddieswillbuy.com?
Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 10:27:59 AM

Gee, I guess your right John. Technically you didn't actually call him a loony lefter but it does seem pretty clear what you really meant.

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And who exactly have I called a loon that presented valid points and arguments?
Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 1:10:13 PM

Maybe you have forgotten John, you have ducked me, dodged me, dismissed me, belittled me, attacked my intelligence, faith & morality (none of which you actually know anything about) just for daring to questioning you. Just for asking for a little accountability. Wasn't it just last week that attained the lofty level of permanent loon because I dared to think that you should actually be accountable for the things that you say here? Wasn't it also last week that you felt I was the spawn of satan? Was it the week before that you said the world would be a better place if I wasn't in it anymore? Valid points or arguments you say? Maybe its just me but you seem to have a strange definition for 'valid'. Maybe you can explain to us all again how a terrorist who tries to kill woman & children is not actually a terrorist in your book if he happens to be a Christian?

jj,

"Maybe you can explain to us all again how a terrorist who tries to kill woman & children is not actually a terrorist in your book if he happens to be a Christian?"
Posted by: jj | May 21, 2007 1:58:36 PM

Come on man, he already answered that. When Christians bomb abortion clinics they are simply "misguided." Isn't it obvious?

JJ, I called you spawn of Satan as a counter to your "bible thumper." Please keep things in perspective.

In regard to you and dying from propane, well with your love affair for propane -- and did you happen to note the post I had that include stuff from ARTI, ASHRAE and other organizations about the dangers of propane and because of those dangers household propane use a refrigerant will never take off in the U.S., also partly because of environmental and safety laws -- that I basically said if you want to give yourself a possible death warrant, then I won't stop you that is your choice! I did not say I wanted you to die. Again, perspective, dude.

But I will say that you have GENERALLY thought out your positions, comments and done some research, so perhaps you are not a true Loony Lefter. But the jury may be out on that!

Bryan, exactly how many Christians have bombed abortion clinics? Is it a nationwide problem? Are Christians a nationwide problem?

I easily could make the argument and case that Lefters are a nationwide problem. In the history of this country, there sure as heck has been a lot more terrorism done by lefters and nonbelievers than there has been by Christians.

What about all the environmental whacko groups that bomb and burn car dealerships, ski resorts, housing developments? Or the skirmishes anti-war protestors have partaken in the last few years? So-called "immigrant" right rallies too?

Little Johnny McCormick = gutless conservative hack. Why don't you show my previous post and let the community determine whether it is offensive or not? Or do you wear the magic underwear too?

Come on man, he already answered that. When Christians bomb abortion clinics they are simply "misguided." Isn't it obvious?
Posted by: Bryan | May 21, 2007 2:58:06 PM

I know he already answered that one, but his answer is just so completely off the wall that can't stop laughing every time I hear him say it.

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easily could make the argument and case that Lefters are a nationwide problem. In the history of this country, there sure as heck has been a lot more terrorism done by lefters and nonbelievers than there has been by Christians.

What about all the environmental whacko groups that bomb and burn car dealerships, ski resorts, housing developments? Or the skirmishes anti-war protestors have partaken in the last few years? So-called "immigrant" right rallies too?
Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 4:08:52 PM

John, do you have any proof of these statements or are you just blowing hot air as usual? Got any numbers? Links? Personally it sound like you have hit a new low today. Anti-war protests & 'immigrant rights' rallies are terrorist activities according to you now? And you dare to accuse others of being looney?

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JJ, I called you spawn of Satan as a counter to your "bible thumper." Please keep things in perspective.
Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 2:58:23 PM

Yes John, lets keep things in perspective. I only called you a Bible-Thumper after you called yourself one. I would have never dreamed of calling you (or anyone else) a bible thumper if it wasn't a name you were comfortable using to refer to yourself. You clearly said "I'm a bible thumper & proud of it but the proper name is Christian" before I ever called you one. Bottom line here is simple: you use a phrase you view as derogatory to label people here who you don't agree with but object to others using a term that you have used to describe yourself. And you dare to accuse others of being looney?

As for the tired old refrain about Propane, get over yourself & try getting a little perspective of your own here. Isn't it getting just a little old? I've tried to keep this off the active threads several times but you just keep going on & on & on. Are you going to cut & paste the same old irrelevant article again?
It was you who said:
1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.
3) It was you who said: No US Manufacturer was making or would be interested in making a refrigerator using Propane as a refrigerant.

Those were your statements, not mine. I just asked for you to provide just a little proof for even one of these statements. Have you ever provided proof for these 3 questions? No, never. Instead you have constantly attacked & belittled me but never once have you actually answered what I have asked you. You've constantly tried to twist the argument into whether the US HVAC industry will adopt Propane as a refrigerant instead of providing just a little proof to back up your own statements. Who really cares what the US HVAC does? This has always been about accountability, you said it, you back it up or admit you were talking out of your....

As for saying the world would be better off without me you can try spinning that one as much as you like but the bottom line is you said what you said & what you meant by it seems extremely clear. Do I have to quote exactly what you said & provide the link to it? Again?
Get a grip & have a good one Bible-Thumper!

BTW: Romney only chance of getting into the White House is to be an invited guest.

"Exactly how many Christians have bombed abortion clinics?"
Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 4:08:52 PM

"According to the National Abortion Federation, between 1977 and 2006, anti-abortion terrorism was responsible for 7 murders, 17 attempted murders, 41 bombings, 173 arson attacks, 100 butyric acid attacks, 157 incidents of assault and battery, 4 kidnappings, and 385 death threats...

One of the most widely-reported Christian terrorists is Eric Robert Rudolph, an American who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States in the 1990s, killing three people and injuring at least 150 others, because he violently opposed abortion and homosexuality as contrary to Christian doctrine.

Clayton Waagner claimed to be on a "mission from God" when he set out with his family on a trip across the United States, intent on killing multiple abortion providers. Ultimately he mailed envelopes, falsely claiming they contained anthrax, to more than 500 abortion facilities, as part of the larger, and unconnected, anthrax attacks of 2001.

In 1998 James Charles Kopp, a former member of The Lambs of Christ, murdered Barnett Slepian, a physician who performed abortions.

On 11 September 2006 David McMenemy attempted a suicide bombing, deliberately crashing his car into a women's health clinic in Davenport, Iowa, which he mistakenly believed provided abortions."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

"Between 1998 and 2000, more than 80 letters which threatened Anthrax contamination were sent to U.S. clinics in 16 states. Anthrax is a potentially fatal bacteria if its spores are inhaled into the lungs. All of the letters turned out to be hoaxes...

A report prepared by the California Senate showed that abortion clinics in that state were torched and bombed more than in any other state: 30 incidences out of 224 crimes nationwide. Most of the clinics responding reported threats, vandalism, assaults, blockades and other crimes from 1995 to 2000. 30% reported that their personnel was "stalked, harassed, threatened and otherwise targeted at their homes or in other places away from clinics and medical offices." Other states with large numbers of attacks are: Florida with 19, Texas with 14, New York with nine...

Not sure why I have to post this a second time but...here goes. John I was joking!!! You kranky nut. Varmint or varment is spelled two ways. Since you like to correct my spelling I thought I'd work the spelling angle. Levity!!! Mitt Romney has the Al Gore robot factor happening when he speaks, hence the comparison. I wonder if this will post. I seem to be getting that allot lately.

Romney is either playing up to the rabid right, or he doesn't have a clue:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/OpEd_Republican_candidates_base_support_unAmerican_0518.html

JJ, you have officially become a member of the John E Ultra Loony Left Club.

Here you go, boy:
Environmental terrorism:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/18/domestic.terrorism/

Propane stuff you apparently missed:
http://www.arti-21cr.org/research/completed/exec-summaries/50025-es.pdf

With some selected comments:
Concerns about the global warming impact of fluorocarbon refrigerants have led to pressure on
manufacturers of air conditioning and refrigeration equipment to consider using flammable
refrigerants such as propane (R-290), isobutane (R-600a) or hydrocarbon blends as working
fluids in their equipment. These substances are classified as highly flammable A3 refrigerants by
ASHRAE Standard 34.

The first barrier is that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Significant New
Alternative Policy (SNAP) program rule currently prohibits the use of A3 refrigerants except in
industrial refrigeration. The EPA has rejected applications to approve flammable refrigerants for
non-industrial applications under SNAP due to “a lack of an adequate risk assessment that
characterizes incremental flammability risk.” If such a risk assessment were performed, they
would consider listing A3 refrigerants as acceptable in other end-uses.
The second barrier is U.S. state and local building codes, which require that air conditioning and
refrigeration systems be in accordance with appropriate mechanical codes. The mechanical codes
in turn are consistent with ASHRAE Standard 15, which prohibits the use of A3 refrigerants
except in industrial occupancies or laboratories, unless specifically approved.

JJ, if you need more I'll be glad to provide it and embarrass you further. Danfoss, a Dutch company by the way, has several studies on propane's use as a refrigerant.

In regard to Bible thumper, yes I said i was and that was in response to someone calling me a bible thumper, so I said yep, I'm a bible thumper and proud of it.

Oh and who cares about the U.S. hvacr industry? If U.S. manufacturers do not provide products for the consumer in which propane is the refrigerant, then you won't get it. Also, please note from ARTI that CODES and ASHRAE Standards PREVENT the use of propane as a refrigerant in most circumstances. Those darn codes and standards getting in the way of your looniness. Oh my, what to do??

AS far as getting a clue, I have several. Unfortunately for you a clue is about as unlikely as an intelligent thought, it seems.

AS far as getting a clue, I have several. Unfortunately for you a clue is about as unlikely as an intelligent thought, it seems.

Posted by: John D | May 21, 2007 11:45:44 PM

Speaking of intelligent...John evolution or intelligent design??? p.s. I could have sworn this discussion was about Mitt Romney and the Iowa Straw Poll??? Thanks for the treatise on refrigerants...yawn...Zzzzz

Logic P: I'm tired to rehashing the whole propane refrigerant nonsense too. Your buddy JJ is the one who can't let it go. No matter how many refrigerant experts I put forth, no matter who many ASHRAE studies I put forward, your buddy JJ just can't get over it.

Thanks for blowing me off again John! I ask you to be accountable for the things you say but you can't be bothered with that, you just keep going on & on off on some wild tangent about what the HVAC industry is or isn't going to do. Again I say I don't care about what they are going to do or not do, I want you to step up to the plate & adress the statements you, yourself have made.

1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.
3) It was you who said: No US Manufacturer was making or would be interested in making a refrigerator using Propane as a refrigerant.

Funny how you feel its ok to insult my intelligence & label me with just another one of your goofy, made up, deragatory titles just because I dare to question the things you say. Have a good one, Bible-Thumper!
Hope you get a chance to learn what it is you can do with those clues someday.

PS: How do you know that those eco-terrorists arn't Christians? And if they are Christians could it be that they are just deluded & not actually terrorists?

The Varmiator still has no chance of getting into the WH

Logic P: I'm tired to rehashing the whole propane refrigerant nonsense too. Your buddy JJ is the one who can't let it go. No matter how many refrigerant experts I put forth, no matter who many ASHRAE studies I put forward, your buddy JJ just can't get over it.

Posted by: John D | May 22, 2007 9:35:30 AM

I never brought up propane on this post John. You brought it up, not me & the you started in attacking as you always do. And as usual you keep missing the point: be accountable for what you say. I'll make it simple for you, just provide a little proof for one of these 2 statements you made or admit you were talking out your....

1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.

JJ, from your May 21 post at 5:56 pm:

As for the tired old refrain about Propane, get over yourself & try getting a little perspective of your own here. Isn't it getting just a little old? I've tried to keep this off the active threads several times but you just keep going on & on & on. Are you going to cut & paste the same old irrelevant article again?
It was you who said:
1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.
3) It was you who said: No US Manufacturer was making or would be interested in making a refrigerator using Propane as a refrigerant.

Those were your statements, not mine. I just asked for you to provide just a little proof for even one of these statements. Have you ever provided proof for these 3 questions? No, never. Instead you have constantly attacked & belittled me but never once have you actually answered what I have asked you. You've constantly tried to twist the argument into whether the US HVAC industry will adopt Propane as a refrigerant instead of providing just a little proof to back up your own statements. Who really cares what the US HVAC does? This has always been about accountability, you said it, you back it up or admit you were talking out of your....

Never brought up propane in this post, huh?

And JJ, this from ARTI (please note that building codes and ASHRAE Standards prevent the use of propane as a refrigerant becuase of its flammability and volatility in things such as air conditioners and hence refrigerators.

The first barrier is that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Significant New
Alternative Policy (SNAP) program rule currently prohibits the use of A3 refrigerants except in
industrial refrigeration. The EPA has rejected applications to approve flammable refrigerants for
non-industrial applications under SNAP due to “a lack of an adequate risk assessment that
characterizes incremental flammability risk.” If such a risk assessment were performed, they
would consider listing A3 refrigerants as acceptable in other end-uses.
The second barrier is U.S. state and local building codes, which require that air conditioning and
refrigeration systems be in accordance with appropriate mechanical codes. The mechanical codes
in turn are consistent with ASHRAE Standard 15, which prohibits the use of A3 refrigerants
except in industrial occupancies or laboratories, unless specifically approved.

Please, JJ, go back to reading what you can understand and know: See Spot Run books!

OH and JJ if building codes and ASHRAE standards make it so propane cannot be used as a refrigerant in residential and commercial applications, things like refrigerators are indoors, mind you, does that not support what I have been trying to get through that thick, thick, thick skull of yours????

It's those pesky codes and standards that prevent propane use, not me!!!

OH and JJ if building codes and ASHRAE standards make it so propane cannot be used as a refrigerant in residential and commercial applications, things like refrigerators are indoors, mind you, does that not support what I have been trying to get through that thick, thick, thick skull of yours????

It's those pesky codes and standards that prevent propane use, not me!!!

1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.

If I had the time or cared I would refute most of the BS you have spewed out today, but I don't. Most of it I've debunked before (several times w/ links included) & don't see why I have to keep doing it over & over again but maybe thats what it will take to get you to shut up. Somehow I doubt it.

Can you insult my intelligence again John? It so much fun hearing it & it makes you look so good. How about questioning my faith? Maybe insult my religion a few more times? Doesn't that all make you feel better John? Hey, maybe you can even question my patriotism while your at it?
Have a good one Bible-Thumper!

John D:
I found the time, you don't mind if I poke a few holes in your 'so called' arguments & experts do you?

The Significant New Alternative Policy (SNAP) program is about replacing old refrigerants with new types in older systems & yes it is a bad idea to use propane blends in a system that is not specifically designed to use them. Funny how this has absolutely nothing to do this new construction.

ASHRAE & ARI are trade organizations that are solely funded by the US HVAC industry itself. They are not a regulatory or certification board. When we buy a refrigerator at Best Buy should we look for the ASHRAE stamp of approval? What? They don't come with one? Oh, thats right, they represent the manufacturers that pay them & not the people of this great nation. Funny how you forgot to mention that.

Its also funny how you always prattle on & on about how they are dangerous while ignoring their good safety record in Europe & Australia over the last 15 years. Funny how you think that are not safe enough for use here but they have been approved by that socialist bastion of over-regulation, the EU.
Funny how you, as a HVAC expert, don't seem to know that the HVAC technology in Europe & the US have been on different tracks for over 30 years. Funny how you don't seem to understand that the US HVAC industry has a vested interest in seeing that European technology doesn't gain a foothold here.
Funny how much you seem not to be able to comprehend.

BTW: I'm still waiting, put up or shut up.
1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.

Oh Absolutely Clueless JJ,

ASHRAE is the American Society of Heating, Refigerating and Airconditioning Engineers, it is not funded by the manufacturers. You say ASHRAE is not a certification board, Sorry, WRONGO!! Standards are created by ASHRAE, standards that local, state and federal governments follow with laws, codes, etc. ASHRAE creates standards not only for equipment, but for issues such as indoor air quality, energy efficiency, etc., etc.

In fact, the post from ARTI speaks of ASHRAE Standards and how codes and laws follow those standards.

Now in regard to propane, I also have included information on not only its flammability and why it has NOT been approved for use in North America, but also its performance. You see, Perpetually Clueless JJ, propane is not the most efficient refrigerant, its performance is lacking compared to many HFCs. JJ, ENERGY EFFICIENCY actually has more to do with any global warming than the refrigerant being used.

It's just like in lighting. Our standard light bulbs are not energy efficient, LEDs, HIDs are more efficient, hence less energy is used to light and that is a benefit to the environment. So, since propane is less efficient than other refrigerants, you aren't gaining anything environmentally.

As I have previously stated, there are HCFCs that are very energy efficient and have no to little global warming potential, but since there is the first C in there, no matter how small amount, they are being phased out.

Also, JJ, ammonia is one of THE MOST energy efficient refrigerants, has no to little global warming potential and ozone-depleting potential, but because ammonia is so TOXIC is not good for residential or commercial applications. It is strictly used in some industrial applications.

While ARI is the association for manufacturers in the air conditioning and refrigeration industry, the association and industry are usually at the forefront of creating products that improves quality of life. The hvacr industry actually has been a leader in issues such as energy efficiency and refrigerants.

In fact, I have attended several Carrier Corp. Alliance for Energy Efficiency seminars.

ASHRAE too has been a leader in energy efficiency. In fact, here is their link (and please notice all the stuff about ASHRAE Standards, OK??):

http://www.ashrae.org

You have no clue of what you speak. I have provided information and links to many different studies and as a typical moronic lefty loon, you disregard them all. But I am not surprised because if there is anything I have learned in my life is that there is no reasoning, no rationality, no to little intelligence to anything affiliated with the Loony Left.

Like I said before, stick with the See Spot Run or Dick and Jane books. They are about your speed. And for your own sake, please stop EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!!

Good job John, you managed to spew out a few more choice insults while still managing to duck & run from your own words. Whats wrong can't you find anything to prove what you have said?
1) It was you who said: Propane was to dangerous to be used indoors & was only fit for using in your BBQ.
2) It was you who said: Propane was way more dangerous than Natural Gas.

But I am not surprised because if there is anything I have learned in my life is that there is no reasoning, no rationality, no to little intelligence to anything affiliated with the Loony Left.

Posted by: JOhn D | May 22, 2007 8:50:40 PM

John you've lost whatever grip on sanity you held. All your small little insults and insights into the world of refrigerants prove what a NUT YOU ARE!!! STAY ON TOPIC!!! MITT ROMNEY!!!

Logic Prisoner, again, and I am not surprised, it is the JJ who brought up the nonRomney stuff.

JJ, I have answered your ignorant questions time and time again.

But answer these:
1. Building codes and laws prevent the use the propane as a refrigerant in residential air-conditining and refrigeration systems. Why? Because of its FLAMMABILITY and EXPLOSIVENESS!!

2. You said ASHRAE is NOT a certification or governing board, but a tool for the hvacr industry. Then why is practically every building in the U.S. built according to ASHRAE standards?Why are there ASHRAE standards for everything from airlines IAQ to industrial IAQ and even development for multi-family housing complexes?

JJ, I insult you because you keep arguing something you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about! You DO NOT KNOW of what you speak here. Give it up, propane-brain!!

John is your insane desire to win every argument a reason to continue posting off topic???