The war is raging out of control, health care costs are rising, immigration reform is at a stand still and these F'n Republipukes want a non-binding resolution about a freak'n newspaper advertisement. Where were these holier than thou GOP'ers when the Swift Boat liars were smearing John Kerry (who's a scmuck anyway, but not the point). More telling, where was Cornyn's outrage when Max Cleland, who gave three limbs for his country, was compared to Osama? Anyone wondering why cockroaches have more respect than congress just needs to look at this waste of human flesh in action...DISGUSTING!

Now I want to see Republicans vote on Saxby Chambliss's campaign comparing decorated combat triple-amputee Vietnam veteran Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden.

classic! more proof that the once reasonable Democratic party of the people is now completely owned by BIG MONEY moveon.org..

The DEM prez candidates voting against this symbolic only vote only care about where their next campaign donation is coming from.

I am trying to laugh at this waste of time vote- but can't get by how these DEMS don't even try to hide how low they have set the price of their credibility.

How do you vote against;
" To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces."

they were provided with a Slam dunk opportunity to show leadership, and to show our enemies that we actually support the folks that are dying for us...

While I would agree the ad went way too far, did not accomplish anything constructive, and ultimately harmed the cause it supposedly supported more than helped it, it would be nice to see the Republicans in the Senate be equally outraged by some other things that would actually make a difference. How about being outraged that Petraeus was asked 4 years too late to implement his counter-insurgency strategy they way he had defined it could best work.
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2007/01/28/the_petraeus_doctrine/

Unbelievable, the Republic Party votes to continue to keep our troops in Iraq for longer periods of time without rest and yet they are concerned about a stupid newspaper ad?

The Rethuglicans need to "support the troops" with their votes to bring them home.
Quit worrying about newspaer ads you mindless Republican drones.

I looked into the origins of the nickname "Betrayus".

Many people are falsely assuming that "Betrayus" was a clever rhyme made up by Moveon.org for the New York Times ad. Which I think is a key assumption for this ad controversy to work for the republicans.

And that assumption is false. The nickname did not originate with Moveon.org.

I clearly remember reading Petraeus's nickname on various military forums/comment threads over two years ago. I remember it so because I thought it was very clever and suitable nickname. In the past couple of months, I have also started seeing the nickname used on progressive blogs and comments.

So when this "controversy" happened yesterday, I did a google search (i swear google really is a blogger's friend!) to see if I could find an old posting or comment that used the nickname.

Here's a comment from 2005:

From BLACKFIVE: Generals of yesterday and today

I don't know GEN Petraeus personally...but when I was in the "Devil Brigade" folks called him "Colonel Betrayus". He came up with things like the "Devil button" (button your BDU collar up to the top when on jumps) and the "Devil grip" (special name for keeping your trigger finger out of the trigger well) which sounded hokey to most of the troops at the time.

Can any other All American paratroopers out there expand on my comment?

Posted by: TBone | November 19, 2005 at 10:52 AM

This kind of changes the narrative, doesn't it ?

Patraeus was less than forthcoming with his summarization of the current situation in Iraq. Most likely, much of that report was reviewed and shaped by the White House.
As for Senate Republicans rebuking MoveOn.org's recent ad, that is hypocrisy at it's finest. Are the same Senate Republicans going to denounce the RNC for their untruthful, dishonst, slanderous personal attacks they spew each and every election season against Democratic candidates??

OK. The republicans are strongly against swiftboating.

While the ad was controversial it succeeded in revealing the superficiality of our congress and their misplaced priorities.

The moment we acknowledged there were no WMD's, our reason to go to war stated before the UN and the world, we should have fallen back to safer and more strategic locations to surveil Iraq without losing precious troops and spending money we don't have.

This will be known as Bush's War and history will not be kind no matter how it we currently spin it. Our warriors have gone to battle with no plan under the leadership of a clown prince named Bush. Call congress, tell them not to continue funding this madness

Bombs still fall on children

Ad police, indeed. Stop censuring opinions and start legislating. How pathetic.

1st. off this is violation of the first amendment,2nd,its political.3rd the name was derived by the troops in iraq,they are the ones that came up with this moniler.

Great, the Repigs have time for grandstanding over a newspaper ad, but can't be bothered to support our troops. Pitiful. Just like traitors like heartburn.

Get over it!!! President Bush and his stooges are a bunch of whining crybaby chickenhawks. This guy doesn't care about the troops and his little speach today rang hollow, as does the Republican-initiated resolution. These people are full of sh%t!!! Talk about a disgrace. Look in the mirror you so-called Republicans.

The Swift Boat veterans had John Kerry pegged. There is a big difference between the truth and a lie.

Listen to these cry baby, sniffling, weak tit Republicans. They are even more pathetic than the Democrats! I don't remember the dems, when they were in the minority, holding up Senate business to scorn the swift boaters or whoever it was that compared Max Cleeland to Osama.

All that macho posturing by the Republicans was BS, we all knew it, but now they are showing what a bunch of two year olds they are.

Go home, Republicans, grab your safety blanket, turn on the Telly Tubbies, get mommy to warm your bottle and relax. Oh, and don't forget, big boys use the bathroom, they don't go number 1 in bed.

Considering that the Generals won the Battle for Iraq, and lost the Peace in Iraq - isn't the hoop-la about the Ad moot?

btw

How is the current strategy of assisting the Sunni's, and Shites to ethnically cleanse their neighborhoods going to bring Peace?

I agree with the posts above. Nobody cried foul over the trashing of Max Clelland, John Kerry or even their own guy, John McCain [remember his supposedly illegitimate mixed race child that was really an adopted baby boy? Just the thing to sink him in the SC primaries.]. But as usual the media and the spineless Dems roll over and play the Repug game when it comes to yet another pointless, diversionary tactic to rally their base and try to get the public's mind off the REAL issues at hand. When will the media and the Dems ever learn? Probably never. This hypocrisy is beyond shamless.

HEY ELECTED OFFICIALS! LISTEN UP! We, the American people, demand that you collective losers spend your time serving the interests of the American people and not yourselves. Republicans, Democrats, the whole lot of you are so out of touch with what the American people want that you cannot even begin to act appropriately. If that is not the case, then the only other explanation is that you do not care.

We have MAJOR issues in this country that MUST be addressed and solved. Elected officials are not doing the job they are supposed to be doing spending your time instead on political wrangling to make your stupid party stronger -- NOT THE COUNTRY. Get it together.

OK AMERICAN PEOPLE -- SAY IT WITH ME NOW! TERM LIMITS FOR ALL!

I agree. What is all the hype about a newpaper ad. Anyone can put an ad in the paper that says "USA Sucks" and it will be dismissed as funded by idiots. But here a bunch of our elected leaders are spending their time getting their panties in a bunch about an ant-war ad. Get used to it. When you go to war you have to deal with anti-war people whether they are civil or they are over the line, a newspaper ad shouldn't be the subject of the Presidents time or the Congress's time. Don't they have a war to fight? Why don't they spend some time on that and get some results rather than playing politics more?

To the person who compared this to the swift boat guys, did you ever go to the site and watch videos where Kerry said he did not see anything himself? I know the video was over an hour long but sometimes the truth takes time.

What a waste of time. Who cares about this. The press and elected leaders seem more preoccupied with this add then dealing with the so called war. Personally, I the Patraues was lying in front of them to protect the white house and he has betrayed us.

Politics are the new opiate of the masses. While "average" Americans are engaged in political rage, politicians are free to run this country into the ground. Wake up! The right and the left are wings of the same plane.

RD

IT'S A FREAKING NEWSPAPER AD YOU IDIOT REPUBLICANS, GET OVER IT !!!!

The Rethuglicans need to do something positive with their votes and end this stupid civil war in Iraq, quit crying about nothing.

This is freekin America. A resolution like this infringes on our first amendment rights. When are Americans going to see through this political horse dip and vote for people who support our liberties? I think I'm joining MoveOn because at least they have the guts to call a spade a spade.

Is anyone even monitoring this? Can moveon supporters do anything but throw around unsubstantiated allegations and borderline profane names like "weak tit republicans?"

Can any of them even spell "moniker?" If this is their strategy for winning the White House in 2008 and keeping the US from winning in Iraq, I'd say we have nothing to worry about. They continue to make the other side look better by comparison through their behavior.

p.s. Doug, produce the heavily discounted advertisement Chambliss ran in any US newspaper about Cleland and we'll get right on that. And hold your breath. Don't forget to hold your breath until you get your way. It'll help!

How can we expect the Dems to stand up against the terrorists and Osama Bin Ladin if they can't stand up to MoveOn.Org.

Well, is it not just like the republicans, change the subject and try to dirty your opponents a bit by going after straw dogs. The man is a "General", he does not need the republican senators taking up for him. They need to get off their asses and get those kids out of that quagmire! They will change their tune as soon as the elections come around minus 500 or 600 dead soldiers!
Coachslife

You guys talking about Max Cleland need to get your facts straight. He was drunk with his buddies and pulled a pin on a grenade in a drunken stupor. He IS NOT a war hero. Being from Atlanta I know how the local people feel and we are embarassed by him. That is the reason he was voted out.
Say what you want about Bush and the shitty congress and senate but don't glorify Max he does not deserve it.

IT'S A FREAKING NEWSPAPER AD YOU IDIOT REPUBLICANS, GET OVER IT !!!!

The Rethuglicans need to do something positive with their votes and end this stupid civil war in Iraq, quit crying about nothing.

Posted by: John E | September 20, 2007 3:33 PM

Its a newspaper ad published with by a groups whose main goal is NOT to say whether or not Patraeus was accurate in his testimony, but to get DEMS elected.. you know this..now quit embarassing yourself.

Guess who voted against condemning the ad calling General Petraeus a traitor? Senator Hillary "support the troops" Clinton.

Guess who didn't vote at all? Senator Barack "Profiles in Courage/New Leadership" Obama.

Neither of them are fit to be commander in chief.

Interesting to see how many Democrats in the Senate and those in this column attempted to defend a radical left wing
kook group. Note that the Tribune doesn't tell us how Hillary and Obama voted. Doesn't matter. We know what will happen to the military if either one is elected.

America is truly in trouble now. Much like Rome was.

Republicans are nearly the same as the Islamic Fundamentalists they criticize.

Remember all Islamic outrage over a CARTOON?

This is NO DIFFERENT.

We actually have Americans now bashing a advertisement that exhibits freedom of expression which is fundamental to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America.

Just because you don't happen to agree with a message DOES NOT MEAN you have the right to stop it.

A TRULY FREE society is able to criticize its leaders and policies. In fact, it is to be ENCOURAGED, that is what started America in the first place afterall.

Be afraid, very afraid, that there are people out there trying to take your freedoms away.

I'm fascinated by the invoking of Swift Boat Veterans in the diatribes against this resolution.

Was it the Swift Boat Veterans or John Kerry who had to change that BS story about him being in Cambodia during Christmas, 1968?

Was it the Swift Boat Veterans or Kerry who had to change the BS story about Kerry's first purple heart coming from enemy fire?

Was it the Swift Boat Veterans or John Kerry who told a half dozen (at least) different versions about throwing his medals over a fence - so many that I doubt he even remembers which is true anymore?

And before anyone tells me that they were wrong to attack a "war hero" like Kerry, it's worth remembering that virtually every Swift Boat Veteran was in Vietnam longer than kerry was.

The text of the resolution DID specify MoveOn:

Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate--

(1) to reaffirm its support for all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces, including General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force--Iraq;

(2) to strongly condemn any effort to attack the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the members of the United States Armed Forces; and

(3) to specifically repudiate the unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus by the liberal activist group Moveon.org.

Its a newspaper ad published with by a groups whose main goal is NOT to say whether or not Patraeus was accurate in his testimony, but to get DEMS elected.. you know this..now quit embarassing yourself.

Posted by: heartburn | September 20, 2007 3:57 PM

I've never heard you on here denouncing the swiftboat ads and I'm taking into account all of your previous post names.

Stick with one post name, will ya?
If you're so confident in your own opinion you shouldn't have a problem doing that.

Thank you, Loons. The more you folks speak up for moveon.org and the smearing of Petraeus, the more likely the GOP will win in 2008!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Ken, don't forget to ask about Kerry's testimony to congress in 1971. Testimony wherein Kerry said he was aware of "ears, noses, heads cut off by US troops in Vietnam" only to then go on a television program the next week and admit he had never, personally, seen such atrocities committed by any US troops.

Was it the Swift Boat Veterans who did that, or was it John Kerry?

"How do you vote against...they were provided with a Slam dunk opportunity to show leadership, and to show our enemies that we actually support the folks that are dying for us..."

maybe, just maybe, you vote against it by realizing that you shouldn't be supporting the inept leadership that has forged this ridiculous war to line thier own pockets while continuing to get americans killed.

you know, in 2000, Iraq had shopping malls, and people weren't blowing themselves up every day. that's what happens now. that's the sort of "stability" this war has brought to Iraq. we should ashamed of ourselves.

"..Just because you don't happen to agree with a message DOES NOT MEAN you have the right to stop it..."

Posted by: jane | September 20, 2007 4:11 PM

Relax! Because I condemn the article, and the vote in the senate condemned the article- noone has proposed stopping the article, or articles like it from being published. I don't want it stopped- just called for what it is.

Right John D,

Just like when Bush lost in 2004 when he didn't condemn the swiftboat ads.

History 101, from Folwell's "Laws of the U.S."

The Sedition Act, passed on July 14 1798 declared that any treasonable activity, including the publication of "any false, scandalous and malicious writing," was a high misdemeanor, punishable by fine and imprisonment. By virtue of this legislation twenty-five men, most of them editors of Republican newspapers, were arrested and their newspapers forced to shut down.

One of the men arrested was Benjamin Franklin's grandson, Benjamin Franklin Bache, editor of the Philadelphia Democrat-Republican Aurora. Charged with libeling President Adams, Bache's arrest erupted in a public outcry against all of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Let's go Republican's, what goes around comes around.

Since when are Americans not allowed to voice their opinion on a matter that is costing us hundreds of billions of dollars per year? As Boxer said, since when is the Senate the ad police? This is not about support or lack thereof of a war general, its about freedom of speech. Last time I checked that was still allowed in our country - even during a time of war. Looks like this is just a matter of Republicans not being able to stand the taste of their own medicine.

I've never heard you on here denouncing the swiftboat ads and I'm taking into account all of your previous post names.

Stick with one post name, will ya?
If you're so confident in your own opinion you shouldn't have a problem doing that.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 20, 2007 4:30 PM

Ok- do you feel better now?

Lets try this slowly-

the swift boat ads were challenging Kerry's chameleon-like qualitied in explaining his own service and actions that had already happened.

NOW-
The move-on ad was indicting the general before he even testified- just like the covey of code pink wackos in the gallery that day, they were critical of the message before they heard it..

the only way you could not get that there is a difference here is if you choose to suspend belief..

It is truly amazing how the democrats always talk about how the republicians keep trying to take our freedoms away. Their two top candidates Hillary and Obama are socialists.

Anonymous:

In the interest of staying on topic (and conserving space) I restricted my list of John Kerry's lies to the ones that the Swift Boat Veterans took apart. I agree that Senator Kerry has lied about many other things, big and small.

Today the Senate has demonstrated that citizens are no longer allowed true FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Officially, our new Stalinist policy requires all attack ads must be backed by wealthy Republican media moguls or their gofers in the Senate.

Anonymous:

In the interest of staying on topic (and conserving space) I restricted my list of John Kerry's lies to the ones that the Swift Boat Veterans took apart. I agree that Senator Kerry has lied about many other things, big and small.

Perhaps Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh should be rebuked by the senate for calling a fellow Senator by the name "Osama" or trying to associate him with Saddam on a regular basis. That is worse than calling an honorable member of our government a traitor, isn't it?

What's with all the whining about purported First Amendment violations from the Loony Lefties?? No one is preventing moveon.org and other lefty loons from showing the world their ignorance and disdain for our military leaders. Instead, the majority of Congress (some Democrats too), simply acknowledged that moveon.org's attack ad was despicable.

And, no, moveon.org's ad is not comparable to the swiftboat ads. Kerry was running for elected office, in part, based on his alleged courageous service in Vietnam. General Petraeus, on the other hand, was issuing a report on Iraq to Congress.

Apples and oranges . . .

-RT

Don't they have better things to do than get their panties in a twist because someone got called a name?

So what are we doing about this? I am so sickened by the lack of respect shown to citizens and soldiers alike by wasting time on this nosense vote. Action must be taken.

"No one is preventing moveon.org and other lefty loons from showing the world their ignorance and disdain for our military leaders."
----

yeah, because we should all be cheerleading for the exemplary success Petraeus has had in Iraq so far as evidenced by the fact that the war's been going on longer than WW2, and has the consistent american casualties every week.

or, maybe, this leadership has betrayed us, by leading us into an un-winnable situation on false pretenses.

Max Cleland blew himself up!

Spare us the crying Rethuglicans, the "swiftboat" ads were already discredited and yet the Repugs still seem to think it's ok to push them but an ad in the newspaper is a big deal?

Petraeus is a lapdog and Bush backed liar, I agree with the moveon ad.

No wonder everyone hates the Republican Party.

I can't wait until 08!

The First Amendment - not worth supporting, only worth attacking anyone who exercises
it.

Habeas Corpus - not worth preserving.

Cheap Pandering - the guiding principle of the Republican Party.

If the American people fall for it again, they deserve what they get. Too bad the rest of the world gets it too.

Oh yes, Senate, let's change the subject from your own inactions and Bush's immoral actions. When are you going to vote to rebuke the Senate, the House, and the Executive Branch?

The reality is that General Petraeus is a political general who is just as interested in keeping this war going as Bush and is cherry picking the data to give the false impression that things are better than they are in Vietnam (er Iraq). He is another General Westmoreland. It is disgusting that so many Democrats let themselves be intimidated by the Republicans into voting for this resolution. When is Congress going to condemn the members of the Bush Administration for misleading the American people about the weapons of mass destruction and Saddam's role in 9/11?

No wonder everyone hates the Republican Party.

I can't wait until 08!

Posted by: Freedom Fry | September 20, 2007 5:58 PM

I want my name back dude!

That said, I agree with you wholeheartedly. More smoke and mirrors to distract the media and the American people from the real issue which is the nightmare that is IRAQ!

Maybe two fries are better than one. Keep on commenting brother fry!

"How can we expect the Dems to stand up against the terrorists and Osama Bin Ladin if they can't stand up to MoveOn.Org."

Move On called it correctly. Petraeus is a political general who is as eager to keep this war going as Bush. Like Westmoreland in Vietnam, he is distorting the data to make things look better than they are. Move On deserves credit for pointing out that the emporer is naked, even if this offends the people on the right. It is a patriotic organization that gives a voice to millions of people whose views have largely been ignored by the corporate media.

The Democrats who let themselves be intimidated into voting for this resolution are a bunch of spineless wimps.

Ann Coulter (or whatever that thing is) and the druggie Limp-baugh are the most hypocritical parasitic vermin this country has to offer. They are the traitors. They are scum.

bc

WWII lasted less time, that's true. There were also 407,000 combat fatalities. And we still have troops in Germany. I strongly suggest you keep that comparison out of your argument

bc

WWII lasted less time, that's true. There were also 407,000 combat fatalities. And we still have troops in Germany. I strongly suggest you keep that comparison out of your argument

A point of order here:

Habeas Corpus has never been extended to military detainees who are not US citizens. Ever. The argument that President Bush and Republicans suspended habeas corpus, like much of the other material I'm reading here, is a lie.

Yup, that's it. If you don't agree with the Bush administration, you're unamerican and against our troops. How sad that our dullard population has people who buy this stuff.

I guess the republicrites are just sayin' that the general can't defend himself, so they have to. Of course, that begs the question of how the genereal is going to defend America.

How is this in any way a violation of the 1st Amendment?

Has anyone mentioned that, allegedly, "Betray us" is the name that the troops in Iraq first gave to Petraeus? If this is true, I would like to know why.

You guys talking about Max Cleland need to get your facts straight. He was drunk with his buddies and pulled a pin on a grenade in a drunken stupor. He IS NOT a war hero. Being from Atlanta I know how the local people feel and we are embarassed by him. That is the reason he was voted out.
Say what you want about Bush and the shitty congress and senate but don't glorify Max he does not deserve it.

Posted by: Willie Ray in GA | September 20, 2007 3:55 PM

Well Willie, you have epitomized the lack of respect returning soldiers face. Most of the wingnuts who post profess to care about the troops but never fail to denigrate any veteran's service record when their politics aren't in agreement with their own.

Yup, that's it. If you don't agree with the Bush administration, you're unamerican and against our troops. How sad that our dullard population has people who buy this stuff.

Posted by: Bryan from Illinois | September 20, 2007 7:06 PM

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I guess the republicrites are just sayin' that the general can't defend himself, so they have to. Of course, that begs the question of how the genereal is going to defend America.

Posted by: RNCBS | September 20, 2007 7:26 PM

Great comments. Read them John D-bag.

Freedom of speech. Just watch what you say!!!

Was it true when it came time for Obama vote you could hear the roll call:

Buehler, Buehler, Buehler

Max Cleland did not "blow himself up". His injuries were the result of an accident caused someone else’s mistake. He was not drunk at the time.

Max Cleland was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat, including during the Battle of Khe Sanh on April 4th, 1968.

The phony outrage over the Moveon.org ad is an effort to divert attention from the real problem, which is the war. Petraeus is nothing but a front for Bush's War Machine. The Democrats that voted to condemn the ad should be ashamed of themselves!

Hi,

This General is an honorable man who has dedicated his life to OUR country and has the Bronze Star Medal for Valor

___

Gen. David H. Petraeus
Commanding General ~~ Multi-National Force - Iraq

General David H. Petraeus assumed command of the Multi-National Force-Iraq on February 10th, 2007, following his assignment as the Commanding General, U.S. Army Combined Arms Center and Fort Leavenworth. Prior to assuming command at Ft. Leavenworth, he was the first commander of the Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq, which he led from June 2004 to September 2005, and the NATO Training Mission- Iraq, which he commanded from October 2004 to September 2005.

That deployment to Iraq followed his command of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), during which he led the “Screaming Eagles” in combat throughout the first year of Operation Iraqi Freedom. His command of the 101st followed a year deployed on Operation Joint Forge in Bosnia, where he was the Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations of the NATO Stabilization Force and the Deputy Commander of the US Joint Interagency Counter-Terrorism Task Force-Bosnia. Prior to his tour in Bosnia, he spent two years at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, serving first as the Assistant Division Commander for Operations of the 82nd Airborne Division and then as the Chief of Staff of XVIII Airborne Corps.

General Petraeus was commissioned in the Infantry upon graduation from the United States Military Academy in 1974. He has held leadership positions in airborne, mechanized, and air assault infantry units in Europe and the United States, including command of a battalion in the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) and a brigade in the 82nd Airborne Division. In addition, he has held a number of staff assignments: Aide to the Chief of Staff of the Army; battalion, brigade, and division operations officer; Military Assistant to the Supreme Allied Commander - Europe; Chief of Operations of the United Nations Force in Haiti; and Executive Assistant to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

General Petraeus was the General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Class of 1983. He subsequently earned MPA and Ph.D. degrees in international relations from Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, and later served as an Assistant Professor of International Relations at the US Military Academy. He also completed a fellowship at Georgetown University.

Awards and decorations earned by General Petraeus include the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, two awards of the Distinguished Service Medal, two awards of the Defense Superior Service Medal, four awards of the Legion of Merit, the Bronze Star Medal for valor, the State Department Superior Honor Award, the NATO Meritorious Service Medal, and the Gold Award of the Iraqi Order of the Date Palm.

He is a Master Parachutist and is Air Assault and Ranger qualified. He has also earned the Combat Action Badge and French, British, and German Jump Wings.

In 2005 he was recognized by the U.S. News and World Report as one of America’s 25 Best Leaders.

LIAR...I do not think so.

Peace!
Steve
General David Betray Us

I don't care if Jesus comes down on a pink cloud and hands him a gold halo and wings in the White House Rose Garden, the man bent the truth in order to serve the President and he Betrayed this country and himself. He should be ashamed of himself and I applaud MoveOn.Org for calling him out.

When a general on active duty acts as a politician or a surrogate for the most despicable politician the stupid voters of this have ever elected, twice, not once, then that general deserves whatever political slams are hurled against him. Petraeus is aiming for the White House himself. He himself says it's too early, yet. So let him be ready to receive all the politics he deserves, the rough as well as the pleasant ass-kissing of the Democratic-controlled Senate!

"Posted by: Willie Ray in GA | September 20, 2007 3:55 PM "

Mr. Ray:

Please provide links to stories that back up your allegation that Max Cleland "was drunk with his buddies and pulled a pin on a grenade in a drunken stupor".

Beware those who would question Dear Leader and his Glorious Military Policy. We do not take kindly to anti-party propaganda.

Oh wait, sorry. I forgot, this is America, and not North Korea. I'm sure the Senate had no real important business that day, anyways.

Oh, so it's good clean American fun for the Rovepublicans to call Vietnam War triple-amputee Max Cleland a traitor but not for anyone to call a general on the lies he tells.
The Senate should be ashamed of itself.

Oh, so it's good clean American fun for the Rovepublicans to call Vietnam War triple-amputee Max Cleland a traitor but not for anyone to call a general on the lies he tells.
The Senate should be ashamed of itself.

Posted by: LG | September 21, 2007 7:29 PM

Rovepublicans-great name. May I use it?