by Mark Silva
How many days is it since John McCain has held Barack Obama captive to the idea of visiting Iraq - something that the senator of Illinois hasn't done in, what, 872 days?
That's the calendar ticking at the Republican National Committee Web-site, counting up the days since the Democrat's last tour of Iraq in 2006. And that's the clock that McCain is chiming on the trail.
"It's long overdue,'' the Arizona Republican said sternly yesterday. "It's been 817 days since he was there.''
The Obama campaign allows that it is considering such a visit for the candidate, who stands ready to claim the Democratic nomination.
"I just don't want to be involved in a political stunt,'' Obama says.
"I think that if I'm going to Iraq, then I'm there to talk to troops and talk to commanders," Obama told the New York Times. "I'm not there to try to score political points or perform. The work they're doing there is too important."
McCain, who has invited Obama to join him on another trip, says: "I'm confident that when he goes he will then change his position on the conflict in Iraq because he will see the success that has been achieved on the ground...Presidents have to listen and learn. Presidents have to make judgments no matter how unpopular or popular they may be. So the success in Iraq is undeniable."









Comments
Good for McCain! I'm happy that, at his age, he still has the mental facility to count. God Bless him!
Posted by: Op109 | May 29, 2008 11:54 AM
The ratio of those who visited Iraq to those who showed good judgment on it isn't exactly high.
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty | May 29, 2008 11:58 AM
Let us get our own clock going, on when Senator " Questionable Conduct " McCain will explain to the nation why a Senator, went before the Senate Ethics Committee for accepting questionable contributions from the only man ever convicted in the $600 BILLION S & L scandal, Charles Keating !!! That is the amount the American taxpayer had to pay, for these criminals that stole from our Treasury! I would like Senator McCain , not only to explain his questionable conduct, but let him make a promise to our nation, that behavior like that, will not happen, again !!! Then, you and your nonsensical demands on another candidate can be looked on, with a little more credibility !! Until that time Senator " Questionable Conduct " McCain, your primping and posing, signifies nothing !!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.
Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, Chicago | May 29, 2008 12:11 PM
The clock is ticking for McBush to explain why, contrary to 70% of Americans, He believed and still believes attacking Iraq was a "good idea". Why did he say there would be no house to house combat?
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 29, 2008 12:22 PM
The "facts on the ground" is a great line Mr. My Friends likes to use. Would those be the same grounds that he and 100 other troops and a handfull of blackhawks strolled through?
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 29, 2008 12:25 PM
So I am clear- because I am sure this is all being taken out of context,...Obama will ("I WOULD!") meet with the leader of a country that has trained people to kill our troops, that sends weapons into Iraq that have killed our troops, but will not meet face to face with those troops or the people in charge of those troops? Why?
He says-"I just don't want to be involved in a political stunt,'' - the political stunt was the first time he went there- why then and not now?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 12:34 PM
I'll believe McCain when he can walk around Baghdad without protection like the President of Iran is able to do, without helicopters and flak jackets. Maybe it's safe enough for Bush to ride his bike thru there and bunny hop all the rubble piled up from the "Shock and Awe" days. When I can go to Iraq and visit their National Museum, that is when I will consider this war a success.
Posted by: jo | May 29, 2008 12:41 PM
He says-"I just don't want to be involved in a political stunt,'' - the political stunt was the first time he went there- why then and not now?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 12:34 PM
Oh please...You couldn't tell me when he went there without googling it up or you heard it recently on the news. This was a good ploy by McBush (remember ploy) because now to the rabid right Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I gave you more credit to see through that heartburn. Please tell me what McBush got out of his stroll through the market place with 100 troops and a few blackhawks? He got the same story from the generals that they gave the congress...so what really was accomplished besides a nice photo-op?
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 29, 2008 12:51 PM
Oh there he goes again. Heartburn.. obviously a McManiac groupie... Um do you recall how these insurgents got their weapons in the first place? Um, Regan and Bush the first, you big hypocrite!
Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley | May 29, 2008 12:58 PM
McCain is a joke. A pathetic shell of his former self. First he let the Bushies trash him in 2000. Then he knuckled under to their policies, and like them, was chomping on the bit to go into Iraq. Now he resorts to cheap political theater, played out for the loyal brainwashing victims that still believe in these misguided neo-con criminals. McCain is most certainly four more years of disaster in the offing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GPzIrxZ0QA&feature=related
Posted by: =S= | May 29, 2008 1:00 PM
Barack doesn't need to go to Iraq...his uncle was there when the US liberated the Iraqis from Saddam too! (Kilroy was here)
Posted by: mark | May 29, 2008 1:04 PM
McCain's sunk to an all new low. After all John we have Joe Biden to consult with. Surely even John McCain remembers his good friend from across the isle. Biden has been to Iraq numerous times and understands it as well or better than anyone. I think he'll be the next Secretary of State, unless he would prefer to remain in his current position. Either way he could impart on Obama any info he may need. McCains stunt is an act of desperation and a bad idea. But what else would you expect from a man and a party, with no new ideas.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | May 29, 2008 1:26 PM
The Republic Party and Grandpa McBush want Obama to go to Iraq?
Do they mean that they want him to go for a tax payer funded, dog and pony show stroll thru a Baghdad market like the one that John McBush took? You know, the one where he was wearing body armor and was surrounded by 1000 troops and four helicopter gunships and where he proclaimed the area to be SAFE after he left?!?!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 1:34 PM
Oh please...You couldn't tell me when he went there without googling it up or you heard it recently on the news. This was a good ploy by McBush (remember ploy) because now to the rabid right Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I gave you more credit to see through that heartburn. Please tell me what McBush got out of his stroll through the market place with 100 troops and a few blackhawks? He got the same story from the generals that they gave the congress...so what really was accomplished besides a nice photo-op?
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 29, 2008 12:51 PM
Of course its damned if you do/don't- thats called politics. I thought my last post was rhetorical...
What is making the Obamassiah and the Obama- ites squirm here is that Mccain is playing the same hand Obama played when he went the first time, when Iraq was a mess- now with Iraq appearing to be a success story- He doesn't want to "be part of a political stunt"?
So I ask again- if going to Iraq then was not a political stunt then - why is it one now?
Why the enthusiasm to visit dictators that hate us- but reluctance to visit Iraq? ( again, rhetorical)...
Obama is being exposed for what he is- a good looking, talking, empty suit that doesn't stand for anything that means anything...
Scot-
Believe me- I am no Mccain fan...any port in a storm would be the analogy I use for my support for him....
BTW- we didn't give Iran any IED's..
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 1:39 PM
Obama is being exposed for what he is- a good looking, talking, empty suit that doesn't stand for anything that means anything.now with Iraq appearing to be a success story- He doesn't want to "be part of a political stunt"?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 1:39 PM
Iraq is now a "success story"?
HAHAHA!
Obama is opposed to the shoot first ask questions later foreign policy that your heroes, Bush, Cheney and McCain have used the last seven years, the policy that has gotten thousands of innocent people killed and one that has contributed to the tanking of our economy.
You're dumber than a bag of rocks, when you're in hole....STOP DIGGING!
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 1:55 PM
The clock is ticking on the corrupt GOP. McCain's dog and pony show is disgraceful.
Posted by: Anton Chigurh | May 29, 2008 2:14 PM
"...Obama is opposed to the shoot first ask questions later foreign policy that your heroes, Bush, Cheney and McCain have used the last seven years, the policy that has gotten thousands of innocent people killed and one that has contributed to the tanking of our economy..."
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 1:55 PM
John E..
Well at least you are using your own words again- you got that going for you..
Three questions for you..
1. So what questions would Obama have asked of Hussein that were not already asked in the 10-12 year run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq?
2. What benchmark has not been met - that are keeping you from calling the recent HUGE progress in Iraq successful?
3. And the final question that you and the rest of the Obam-razzi can seem to answer is why visit Iraq years ago and not now?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 2:15 PM
"BTW- we didn't give Iran any IED's..
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 1:39 PM"
No, the IED's came from the munitions that BushCo couldn't think to post guards in front of, so the insurgents just went in and took what they needed and built the IED's themselves. The Oil Ministry, though? Guarded heavily.
Shows ya where the priority is for the Republicans. Oil and plunder gets their attention, but security of the stuff that can be used against us militarily? That gets nothing more than lip service.
Posted by: Op109 | May 29, 2008 2:31 PM
heartburn....go take some prilosec and just stop posting here. you miss every point entirely.
Posted by: Jason | May 29, 2008 2:35 PM
It is a common sense issue. How can someoen with no military background at all pass judgement on events on the ground that he has no idea what is or is not happening. Obama should go see that the surge has made things better. About as good as they can be during a war.
Posted by: Vinny | May 29, 2008 2:46 PM
. What benchmark has not been met - that are keeping you from calling the recent HUGE progress in Iraq successful?
3. And the final question that you and the rest of the Obam-razzi can seem to answer is why visit Iraq years ago and not now?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 2:15 PM
So now you're so desperate that you're dealing in hypotheticals in regard to Obama?
This case is closed, heartburn
You lose.....again.
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 2:50 PM
"OBAMA SPEAKS"
VETS FOR FREEDOM!
JOE LIEBERMAN!
LINDSAY GRAHAM AND YOUR WIFE!
LETS HAVE MEET WITH ALL THE "GENERALS OF IRAQ" IN IRAQ!
GENERAL MCKIERMAN
GENERAL WALLACE
GENERAL ABISAID
GENERAL PACE
ADMIRAL FALLON
GENERAL SHINSEKI
GENERAL SANCHEZ
GENERAL RICHARD MYERS
MR. "FALLUJA" PAUL WOLFOWITZ
GENERAL ZINNI
GENERAL CASEY AND MOST OF ALL, GENERAL PATREAUS BEFORE MY ADMINSTRATION WHEN MY ADMINISTRATION TAKES OFFICE!
SO WILL THE REAL "IRAQI" GENERAL MEET ME ON MY PRIVATE JET WITH JOHN MCCAIN, VICKIE ISEMAN, OR CINDY MCCAIN!
THIS IS A FLIGHT THAT I MUST TAKE!
IMPEACHMENT IS NOT AN OPTION WHEN WE RETURN!
872 DAYS AND COUNTING!
"LONG LIVE NANCY PELOSI"
Posted by: Roger Morris | May 29, 2008 3:00 PM
How can someoen with no military background at all pass judgement on events on the ground that he has no idea what is or is not happening. Obama should go see that the surge has made things better. About as good as they can be during a war.
Posted by: Vinny | May 29, 2008 2:46 PM
Do you mean, how can a guy with no military background, like say Republican hero Ronny Reagan, pass judgement on all things military?
Gee, I don't know, why don't you tell us, Vince....
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 3:10 PM
"BTW- we didn't give Iran any IED's..
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 1:39 PM"
No, the IED's came from the munitions that BushCo couldn't think to post guards in front of, so the insurgents just went in and took what they needed and built the IED's themselves. The Oil Ministry, though? Guarded heavily.
Shows ya where the priority is for the Republicans. Oil and plunder gets their attention, but security of the stuff that can be used against us militarily? That gets nothing more than lip service.
Posted by: Op109 | May 29, 2008 2:31 PM
So our military was supposed to be guarding munitions in Iran?
Probably want to think this through a little better- you may remember that the level and quality of the IEDs used by the insurgents increased dramatically from primitive explosive devices to high quality, armor piercing weapons that were manufactured in Iran... unless I missed that whole Iranian invasion thing, it has been pretty well known that the IEDs that caused the most damage came from Iran- carried in by foreign fighters hoping to kill american soldiers - the same soldiers that BHO doesn't have time to see anymore.
I will take it from your distracting question that you don't have a good rationale for BHO to visit Iraq either?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 3:11 PM
. What benchmark has not been met - that are keeping you from calling the recent HUGE progress in Iraq successful?
3. And the final question that you and the rest of the Obam-razzi can seem to answer is why visit Iraq years ago and not now?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 2:15 PM
So now you're so desperate that you're dealing in hypotheticals in regard to Obama?
This case is closed, heartburn
You lose.....again.
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 2:50 PM
John E-
Thats all there is with this guy is hypotheticals- nothing valid or tangible-
Hope, change, yes we can, yes I would... what has BHO added other than hypotheticals?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 3:21 PM
Thats all there is with this guy is hypotheticals- nothing valid or tangible-
Hope, change, yes we can, yes I would... what has BHO added other than hypotheticals?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 3:21 PM
You've already lost, you dimwit, Stop Digging!
GOODBYE!
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 3:59 PM
You've already lost, you dimwit, Stop Digging!
GOODBYE!
Posted by: John E | May 29, 2008 3:59 PM
Fearing being outed again for plagiarizing people with better ideas than his, John E has been left with no other option than to take his ball and go home... he will be missed.
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 4:16 PM
Just goes to show you McCain has nothing else to do but 'count Obama's days' until he goes to Iraq. Gee, some president he would make...
Posted by: RuthieM | May 29, 2008 4:30 PM
The way out of this manufactured "issue" is easy. Obama and McCain travel to Iraq together. Get briefed by Generals and Commanders and then Obama puts on traditional Iraqi clothes and takes a hidden camera and a translator and candidly interviews unsuspecting citizens who haven't been paid or made to believe their family will be relocated to safer countries.
Posted by: john | May 29, 2008 4:32 PM
This is like some kind of 'morning zoo' dj stunt or something?
Brilliant, McNuts.
Posted by: C.Morris | May 29, 2008 4:32 PM
McCain's 'friends' = Dubbya's 'folks'.
Posted by: OldCreaky | May 29, 2008 4:35 PM
"So our military was supposed to be guarding munitions in Iran?
Posted by: heartburn | May 29, 2008 3:11 PM
No, Pre-Puke. They were supposed to be guarding the munitions in IRAQ, which provided parts for the IED's used to kill our soldiers.
Posted by: Op109 | May 29, 2008 6:35 PM
It is a common sense issue. How can someoen with no military background at all pass judgement on events on the ground that he has no idea what is or is not happening. .
Posted by: Vinny | May 29, 2008 2:46 PM
Interesting question. Let's ask Cheney (5 deferments) and Bush (Too coked up to remember when he did coke).
Posted by: chimpymcflightsuit'snavigator | May 29, 2008 9:33 PM