by Frank James
Sen. Hillary Clinton is right, at least about her ability to attract white voters when compared with Sen. Barack Obama. But you don't have to take her word for it. Here's part of the analysis by Gallup's editorial chief, Frank Newport:
PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee, will likely enter the general election with more of a handicap among white voters than would have been the case if Hillary Clinton had been the nominee, based mainly on Clinton's stronger performance among white women.
A new Gallup Poll analysis of Daily tracking data collected between May 1 and May 17 shows that Clinton's edge among white voters is not, as some have hypothesized, based on Obama's problems among blue-collar white men, but reflects more the fact of Clinton's strength among white women.
So a lot of commentary about how white, blue-collar workers are Obama's main challenge may not tell the whole story or really missing the point, according to Newport. It may be white women who actually make the critical difference.
Clinton performs better than Sen. John McCain with this group, actually getting more support now from white women than the senator from Arizona.
But Obama runs behind McCain with white women, particularly those without college education.
Newport concludes:
Although there has been a great deal of discussion of the problems that await Obama among white men should he win the Democratic nomination, this analysis suggests that while McCain certainly has a strength among this group, it is no more of a strength against Obama than it would be against Clinton. Clinton's slight advantage among blue-collar white men is offset by Obama's advantage among white-collar white men.
The bigger issue appears to be Obama's problems among white women, when compared to how Clinton would perform among this group. Obama loses to McCain by nine points among white women, while Clinton wins by three points. Clinton does better than Obama among both blue-collar and white-collar white women.
It goes without saying that this is a significant problem for Obama and in part helps to explain why he is treating Clinton so gingerly at this point. He can't afford to alienate more members of a group he's already having significant trouble winning over.
Going forward, it will be fascinating to see how he contends with this problem should he become the nominee. For instance, it might raise the already high pressure on him to choose a woman as his vice presidential running mate.

Comments
As a white man......I totally understand that!
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 21, 2008 7:19 AM
All the white women who support Hillary are the ones whose own pasty balding white husbands cheated on them and they were dumb enough to forgive them. Any woman who has a spine would never support Clinton.
However, I don't think this survey is that significant, if you look at the numbers for McCain, they are only 4 percentage points apart.
I'm a white woman and I can tell you that while I don't know who I will vote for, it definitely would never ever be Clinton.
Posted by: Nunu | May 21, 2008 7:27 AM
All the white women who support Hillary are the ones whose own pasty balding white husbands cheated on them and they were dumb enough to forgive them. Any woman who has a spine would never support Clinton.
However, I don't think this survey is that significant, if you look at the numbers for McCain, they are only 4 percentage points apart. And there is still enough undecideds to put any one of them over the top with this demographic.
I'm a white woman and I can tell you that while I don't know who I will vote for, it definitely would never ever be Clinton.
Posted by: Nunu | May 21, 2008 7:28 AM
This poll suggests that 4% of Caucasian, non-Hispanic Clinton supporters would "defect" to McCain and 4% would not vote for either of these two men. But what do I know about statistics, I'm a woman!
Posted by: anonymous white woman | May 21, 2008 7:29 AM
Great opportunity for a unique two-for-one deal with Michelle as the Veep candidate.
Posted by: Jessup | May 21, 2008 7:32 AM
Correction - 4% of Caucasian, non-Hispanic female voters (not just Clinton supporters) would "defect" from Clinton to McCain; whereas 4% of Caucasian, non-Hispanic female voters would not vote for either of the two men. To paraphrase the immortal talking Barbie: "statistics class is tough."
Posted by: anonymous white woman | May 21, 2008 7:37 AM
3rd time's a charm. 1/12 of the Caucasian, female Clinton supporters will defect to McCain and 1/12 will not vote at all.
Posted by: anonymous white woman | May 21, 2008 7:42 AM
White women have been blinded by sexist favoritism. I am a 60 year old white woman who knows right from wrong and is willing to admit it no matter how painful it may be. We are trying to get rid of the Bush mentality, but Hillary's appeal to the gritty women belies her character flaws. The women who reason over desire are chiding with Hillary, the loyalists seem to not care at this point. If she gets into office and nothing gets done, it will be everyone else's fault. Hillary's management style is not leadership at its best. Hillary micromanages and cares too much how things get done which is contradictory to Committee based structures that are in Washington. Leadership is an overseeing position, not get in your face and bully position. Hillary does well as a senator. Hillary has lied too many times, wants to bend the rules only when they suit her, and can always find a noble premise to bark from. We would be in a worse position than just letting the Republicans have the White House, because Hillary will be fighting with everyone and McCain at least would let others do their job.
Posted by: Shannon | May 21, 2008 7:53 AM
I am a 29 year-old, working-class, beer-drinking, truck-driving, Hegel-reading, educated, poor white woman who supports Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States. And you cannot conveniently fit me into a pie chart.
Posted by: bonnie | May 21, 2008 7:54 AM
I am a white woman and I stand strongly behind Barack Obama. Hillary is an embarrassment. The only reason she didn't divorce Bill after the Monica Lewinsky incident is because she knew being the ex-wife of a president wouldn't get her anywhere politically. She is cold, dishonest and manipulative and not at all someone I want representing this country. She needs to give up now while she still has some shred of dignity left.
Posted by: Renee | May 21, 2008 8:13 AM
Real easy to get votes in the south when you are WHITE. And especially when you come to town and say "im for white folks". And especially when you come to the south saying "my opponent is getting the black vote".
The significance of this is - yes it works, and yes there is still racism and prejudice in our great nation; but that ONLY works in an election where your opponent is BLACK. And the same racist voters are - every bit as gender biased as well. They will NOT vote for a Woman over a White MAN. Super delegates please be smart enough to see right through that.
In states where there are educated voters this is not even a discussion. THE VOTERS make their choices based on information they get on their own. The folks in the south need Super Delegates to help them. Please DO NOT let the candidate of RACIAL and GENDER division represent the Democratic party!
Posted by: Keith Lifetime Chicagoan and Southsider | May 21, 2008 8:16 AM
The problem isn't with the color or sex of the voters, it's with the media. Voters of every stripe deserve to be informed on each candidate's past voting records and policy stances. For example, all voters need to know that Hillary didn't vote against the 2005 Bankruptcy Reform Bill and McCain voted for it. The media should clarify how and why the Bankruptcy Bill further undermines the economic survival of the average American.
Posted by: Sonia Kermaz | May 21, 2008 8:19 AM
Obama has a WHITE WOMAN problem. Singular. And he has a MEDIA problem. ONLY the Clintons, Lou Dobbs and the Republicans want the DEMOCRATIC primary to continue. When Huckabee was defiantly continuing his run, EVERYONE got him off the scene. It wasn't good for ratings or the overall good of the Republican party!!! yada yada yada and McCANE is on TV laughing at us all.
Democrats are STUPID - and care about what the Clintons and pundits are saying and not the VOTERS. This election is over, but you keep listening to Lou Dobbs who is on his way to the bank thanks to the ratings from the racial and gender soap opera that Hilary is puttin on. YOU have allowed her to build momentum in the south with racist comments. And now ONLY the women who vote for HER are important - not the ones in North Carolina or Oregon. These white women WILL NOT vote for her when given the choice of a White man who is a veteran vs a white, crying, woman who thinks the whitehouse is OWED to her because of her last name.
Posted by: Keith Lifetime Chicagoan and Southsider | May 21, 2008 8:37 AM
The gallop poll means nothing because it is based on a polarized democratic base before either candidate is nominated. It is premature at this stage and it should be common sense that this information would not be accurate since democratic voters are still sticking with their chosen candidate. It is foolish to think that any of these voters will switch their votes to McCain should their candidate not win the nomination. Common, how stupid do you think we are? It is simply irresponsible to release such information so early and shows a lack of intellegence and experience on behalf of the poll takers and anyone who posts the poll. It is simply fluff believable only to the niave.
Posted by: Bobby | May 21, 2008 8:41 AM
This is simplistic nonsense. Look at Oregon. THe truth is, Clinton does better with a certain sub-group of white women. And to not admit that is simply to fuel the falsehood.
Posted by: tony | May 21, 2008 8:42 AM
Women being over 50% of the population, misogyny is a bad strategy.
Right, sweetie?
Posted by: MJ | May 21, 2008 8:48 AM
Who are these polesters talking to??? I am a white professional woman and have been on the Obama bandwagon from the beginning! Every friend and aquaintance I know of in my demographic is so excited when we find out we are both for Obama. the women I see that support the Hill are bitter, 60ish and just want a woman no matter what. Their the ones that still answer a land line in the home I guess
Posted by: Mary in Indiana | May 21, 2008 8:57 AM
It would have been a more interesting race if Obama's white mother was living. I am sure she would have been out in the front for her son. I wonder, what stand white women would have taken? or if his ill white grandmother's face and voice was used in the election. Obama is a man of substance and class. He is not concern about race, but about humanity and making our country great again. We love this country!
Posted by: Doris Brown | May 21, 2008 8:59 AM
The problem is not Obama's but the racial prejudices alive in the white females. It is a problem of the white females. The other problem with the "white women" is their sexist bias. Neither of these biases or prejudices should have any place in electing a president of the USA. The "media" has played an active part in "fanning the flames."
The color of the skin and the gender of a person should not be involved at all in this election. Unfortunately, those lacking the intelligence to know this are manipulated by those using the race and gender cards. Shame on you.
Posted by: Zoots | May 21, 2008 9:03 AM
To address the comments made by Keith Lifetime Chicagoan and Southsider:
"In states where there are educated voters this is not even a discussion. THE VOTERS make their choices based on information they get on their own. The folks in the south need Super Delegates to help them."
All I can say is wow. You talk about racism from your lofty soapbox, but in the same paragraph, you demonstrate your own bigotry and ignorance. You say the South is dragging this race out, but maybe you should review Obama's wins, which include several Southern states like Virginia (I voted for Obama), North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas!
So before you start spouting of an additional patronizing comments about the South and our need for the super delegates to hold our uneducated hands, you should probably consider that Obama will win in the Fall, because he was able to carry several of the Sourthern states.
Posted by: Paul - Lifetime Virginian | May 21, 2008 9:27 AM
Maybe white women have a good intuition about what a liar and a scammer this guy is.
I also know plenty of white men who won't be voting for Obama.
And finally, the black women I know are also undecided about Obama.
Posted by: nick | May 21, 2008 9:33 AM
Sorry sweeties, I'm just not buying it. No way.
This is a fight Hillary could have fought since day one of her campaign. She could have advocated against conventional stereotypes and really done something great for women coming up in the future.
Instead, she of testicular fortitude didn't raise the gender (oh woe is me) issue until the end, when it was clear she had no chance.
Hillary, remember this: 'If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'.
She lost because she ran an absolutely horrible campaign, not because she is female. Is the $31M in debt also because she's female?
Posted by: Susan | May 21, 2008 9:41 AM
Obama has larger problems than "white women." The reality is that Obama is weak. He collapsed like a house of cards from simple questions posed by old Charlie and George at the ABC debate. Then for the next 12 days, Obama refused to take questions from reporters traveling with him on his plane. He hid and pouted. These are not the characteristics of someone who is a strong leader capable of dealing with Iran, al Qaeda, etc. On the contrary these are the characteristics of someone who is weak, frightened and lacks the emotional fortitude to be president. Obama is the 90-pound weakling who will get sand kicked in his face by the bullies on the beach named Ahmadinejad, Chavez, etc. etc. etc. He's a first-rate con man, indeed, but nothing close to presidential material.
Posted by: Jason | May 21, 2008 9:46 AM
Obama wins hardcore Dems (blacks, youth, college grad liberals) but loses badly among swing voters (rural and blue-collar whites). Exit polls showed last night's Obama voters would support Hillary 71-15% vs. McCain, but Clinton voters would favor McCain over Obama by 42-33%.
Obama is clearly the weaker candidate vs. McCain. Assuming he's nominated, what can he do to turn this around?
Posted by: KGoldberg | May 21, 2008 9:46 AM
The forthcoming Presidential election I sense as being one of the most important in American History. As our country experiences new growing pains as a result of ongoing immigration and global economic expansion, it seems critical to elect a person with the awareness and sensitivity to represent the interests of our country, meanwhile also understanding the importance of subtle diplomacy in world affairs. For this reason, I cast my vote and hope for Barack Obama.
Posted by: Frankie | May 21, 2008 9:52 AM
I'm probably in the 8% of Clinton supporters who will vote for Obama. Although I am utterly repulsed by the uneducated narrow-mindedness of some of Obama's supporters (e.g. the buffoon who goes by the moniker "Keith Lifetime Southsider"), I can't really lay the blame at Obama's feet. Thankfully, he is in a different generation than crazy Eugene Pincham, Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright, et al. Misogyny may be the order of the day, but I can't really attribute it to Obama.
Posted by: anonymous white woman | May 21, 2008 10:04 AM
I would like to try and explain something to Obama supporters.
In 2000 the Dems were wholly united behind Gore. in 2004 the Dems were wholly united behind Kerry. In both of those united elections we STILL lost the White House.
In the 2008 election the Democrat party is split almost in half. Hillary supporters, for the most part, will NOT tow the party line and vote for Obama come November.
In spite of what Obama supporters like to spew, it is NOT because we are sore losers. Afterall, we are Democrats and really used to losing. We will not vote for Obama because we do not trust him. It is not about race either, although if anyone says they won't vote Obama it is always because we are racists according to you. It could not possibly be about his character could it? We have weighed this character and found him wanting. We love our country and will not jeopardize her by putting this man in the White House. Country trumps party.
I would like to know how you expect to get Obama elected when he has wrenched the party in half? You are just kidding yourselves if you think that we will change our collective minds in November.
This man would not be in the lead at all if his baggage had fallen out of the closet before the early contests. A lot of the people who voted in those early contests are screaming for their votes back as they feel they were bamboozled.
Please quit saying it will be Hillary supporters fault when McCain creams Obama in November. It will be your own fault because Obama supporters would rather see McCain in office than Hillary, the only one of the two that could actually beat McCain.
You all should start practicing saying "President McCain."
Posted by: Pat | May 21, 2008 10:11 AM
Oh MJ, give it a rest. If you like what you've gotten the past 8 years, by all means, vote for John McCain. I'm voting to go the other way.
Posted by: You want more of the same, vote McCain | May 21, 2008 10:11 AM
Anyone who thinks those white women are going to vote for Obama just don’t get it. We’ve had it with the entire Democratic Party.
Would you expect a Jew to belong to and support an anti-Semitic organization? No, you wouldn’t.
Would you expect a black person to belong to and support a racist organization? Of course not.
Then why would you expect a woman to belong to and support a sexist organization?
The Democratic Party leaders and elected officials have stood by and said or done nothing while their top female candidate has been vilified and demeaned. All those superdelegates spoke out when they felt the need to endorse Obama but none said a word about how Hillary was being treated by either the media or Obama supporters. They’ve accepted the sexist hate without batting an eye.
The only power I have in this situation is my vote and my money. They won’t be going to the Democratic party or candidates.
Posted by: Anita | May 21, 2008 10:16 AM
Actually, Bobby, this poll is reflective of white women overall, not just Democratic white women. Some white women (45%) are going to vote for Mccain no matter who the Democratic candidate is. The poll shows that about 1/6 of white women (8%/49%) who would have voted for Clinton are currently saying they will not vote for Obama if he is the Democratic candidate. But I agree that it is far too early in the process for these numbers will be accurate. Right now I am feeling rather disenfranchised, but I try to keep in mind that a good deal of the misogyny I keep encountering is actually coming from the right.
Posted by: anonymous white woman | May 21, 2008 10:16 AM
I am a well-read though not college educated white woman. But I am NOT a sheep. I have supported Obama since before he even announced his candidacy. Hillary, without realizing it, has become one of the good ol' boys from inside the beltway. Even her attacks on Obama sound like the old guard. Sorry, Hillary, I used to admire you.
Posted by: Luc Downstate | May 21, 2008 10:18 AM
Hillary is just being a sore loser.
She could have used this entire election process to advocate for women/against traditional stereotypes. Instead, she played the good old boy game as well as the good old boys, and is bringing this issue up now, at the end, to damage Barack Obama. It is shameful.
I am female, white, 44, quit college, and live in the center of Pennsylvania - and proudly state my county went 60/40 for Obama.
Posted by: Susan | May 21, 2008 10:20 AM
Slow news day? As a professional, early 20-something, white woman, I support Mr. Obama.
These polls are futile.
Posted by: Jennifer | May 21, 2008 10:27 AM
There are Paid Obama Bloggers on here.
Hillary Clinton is the smart choice. There is no way Obama and his wife and friends should have a key to the White House.
Hillary Clinton is the smart choice. If she is not the nominee the I will vote for McCain.
God BLESS America.
Posted by: chris | May 21, 2008 10:28 AM
I am a young, white woman who would rather have her head stapled to the carpet than have Hillary as President.
Posted by: Morgan | May 21, 2008 10:28 AM
I am a 46 year old white woman. Senator Obama has my vote...hands down. How can anyone respect Hillary?
Posted by: Moncie | May 21, 2008 10:37 AM
Racism and sexism seem to have won out, among the Clintonistas !! Way to go, Gals !! Next, Senator McCain, when he is elected President, will rescind Roe vs Wade !! Enjoy your hollow victory !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.
Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, Chicago | May 21, 2008 10:44 AM
A growing number of Americans regardless of race and gender are seeing that the reality of Obama is akin to a spoiled kindergartner struggling to be the big boy on the playground, but who is actually the first to cry and yell for the teacher when someone looks at him cross-eyed. Obama is too weak, naive and hard left.
Posted by: Beth | May 21, 2008 10:53 AM
There are some dangerous assumptions here, namely while Obama is perceived as having problems with certain segments of the white vote it is barely acknowledged that if Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination she would, in the general election, lose virtually ALL the African-American vote, guaranteeing the loss of the Presidency as well.
Hillary Clinton receiving virtually none of the African-American vote would be due to the fact that she could only receive the nomination at this point though some sort of subterfuge or magically getting the delegates from Florida and Michigan, resulting in most African-Americans–I predict–staying home.
This would, unlike in the case of whites, have less to do with racism than that fact that African-Americans have been the most loyal of Democratic constituents, and have generally been abandoned once their votes have been cast; yet somehow they are expected to vote for someone who would have essentially stole an election out from under them.
Another important point is that Hillary Clinton, to the dismay of most Democrats, interjected skin color (there is only one 'race', the human race, everything else are variations on a theme) into the proceedings, something many African-Americans (this one included) will not easily forget or forgive.
Based upon my analysis it will not be easy for Barack Obama to gain the trust of certain segments of the White population, yet is is possible. Conversely, it would be even more difficult for Hillary Clinton to get back the trust of a group traditionally marginalized and used by politicians.
Posted by: BMcNeal | May 21, 2008 10:57 AM
Pat said: I would like to know how you expect to get Obama elected when he has wrenched the party in half? You are just kidding yourselves if you think that we will change our collective minds in November.
Pat, it wasn't Obama who wrenched the party in half - that divide was nurtured and exploited by Clinton when her coronation was derailed by a candidate that had every right to run for the presidency. She's the one who pulled out the race card and talked in coded phrases about "who's really for white people."
That's what finally convinced me to throw my full support behind Obama - I am sick and tired of the politics of division, the politics of corporate favortism, the politics of revenge.
We're at a turning point in our history. More and more are falling into poverty, corporations and an increasingly small number of individuals hold the county's wealth, and civil liberties and opportunities are contracting. What I thought was the American Dream is rapidly disappearing.
For those Clinton supporters who would support McCain before Obama - don't forget that the Supreme Court just told an older white woman that she couldn't sue for inequitable pay because she didn't discover for nearly 20 years that the men in her company were earning more than she was. McCain has promised more of the same kind of judges.
Is the cult of Clinton so important that you would throw us all under the bus for another 4 to 8 years of war, increasing poverty, and the erosion of our rights?
Posted by: tallis | May 21, 2008 10:57 AM
will rescind Roe vs Wade !! Enjoy your hollow victory !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.
Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, Chicago | May 21, 2008 10:44 AM
I agree Don....the die hard I'll take my ball and go home supporters will love what McBush offers women. Besides Roe V wade, NcBush said all women need to do to get equal pay in the same job as a man is get more education and training. If not...I guess they could all be Stepford wives like Cindy.
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 21, 2008 10:59 AM
I was called by the Gallup poll on Saturday afternoon, and they asked the questions EXACTLY as they were stated at the top of this column. (If Obama and McCain, who would you vote for? If Clinton and McCain, who would you vote for?) They also asked another question: If Obama and Clinton (not for president/ in a mythical primary situation).
Me? I said I would vote for Obama (against McCain), Clinton (against McCain), and Clinton (against Obama). But I am only one person (woman, 48, college educated, married 14 years). Have you all forgotten the real enemy? It is the conservative war-mongering Republicans, one of whom is running right now. I think the thought of McCain being president would be the REAL impetus to staple your head to the carpet. I agree the Right is certainly adding to the fire because it is in their best interest to do so.
Posted by: Margaret | May 21, 2008 11:06 AM
The reason why she has a lot of white women supporting her is because she's made "suggestive and loud innuendoes" to them over the past 4 months, especially. She alternates between two themes: sexism and racism
Well, Hillary should be proud she's worked hard if not too smart. She mismanaged her campaign, took Sen. Obama for granted, tooted her own horn about entitlement and now it looks like she wants to take it regardless of what anybody says.
Her "slicing and dicing" is too disgusting for words! We do not need politicians of yesteryear who want to scheme and connive to the American voters. She has taken most of her voters for granted and believe me her strategy is going to cost some people a divorce: she's divisive and polarizing
Posted by: BROADCAST | May 21, 2008 11:08 AM
With or without white women, Obama is limping, bleeding and gasping for breath as he crawls over the finish line. He has lost 7 of the last 10 contests including losing a key swing state (again) by a whopping 35 points last night. Obama the great uniter is actually doing a better job dividing.
Posted by: Klye Roget | May 21, 2008 11:08 AM
I'm with Anita - it's the Democratic Party that has let us down and to add insult to injury, they think we will all "fall in line" in November. Well, they are wrong in my case - I won't vote a party line when they put forth a completely unqualified candidate who is a media-made darling (shades of Bush). Look at his record - all he's done is occupied a seat until he could run for office - whether it be here in Illinois or Washington. Personally, I can't afford to pay the additional taxes needed to implement all his programs. I'll take McCain any day. He crosses party lines, works with everyone in Congress to get things done, is not in the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld mold. He didn't get us in this war and I trust him to get us out! He cannot repeal Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court would have to do that, and with a Democratic Congress, McCain can't get his nominees past them! None of my friends are for Obama and can't understand what has come over 1/2 the primary voters in this country!
Posted by: Anne-Illinois | May 21, 2008 11:11 AM
I can't imagine why they'd feel that way. Obama's such a "sweetie" after all.
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 11:11 AM
The media has done all it can do to portray Hillary's supporters as older, uneducated, lower-income white women. But the fact is many highly-educated, upper-income women support her as well. As partners in an elite law firm, several of my peers and I earn 7-figure incomes, yet we are avid Hillary supporters. Perhaps there comes a point when one is too educated and too affluent to support Mr. Obama?
Posted by: Pamela | May 21, 2008 11:17 AM
Let me think about this, 90% of African Americans vote for Obama because he is black. Yet, if someone dares suggest they'll vote for Clinton partially because she's white they're dumb, beer drinking, slobs. Only in America.
Posted by: Michael G. Barrett | May 21, 2008 11:21 AM
Anne, I'd add that he's made a royal mess of the seat he has occupied with his endorsements here in Illinois. He's the most liberal senator in the country and the cronyism endorsements of Toddler Stroger, Alexi Giannoulias, and Richie Daley have led to higher taxes and more government corruption for the people of Chicago and Illinois. And he tells women that he wants to bring that kind of "change" to Washington. Where's the change for the people of Illinois?
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 11:26 AM
To Michael Barrett: Let's see, blacks have been voting for white male democrats overwhelmingly since 1932. 90% of blacks voted for Clinton in 1992. Guess that wasn't a problem, right? So when there's a black presidential candidate who is running for president, blacks only vote for Obama because he's black. Hmm... I wonder how many catholics voted for Kennedy in 1960? How many white women are voting for Hillary in '08? So please, spare me the implication the "caucasian masses" are voting with their minds and not looking at race. That's a cop-out and you know it. On a final note, pipe down and vote for whomever the hell you want to, that is, after all, your American right.
Posted by: Larry Hovis | May 21, 2008 11:39 AM
I don't understand why Obama keeps getting accused of 'wrenching the Democratic party apart' just because he ran and is doing well. Sorry, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. I am a 30 something white professional woman who is also a soccer mom and consider myself a feminist. I will be voting for Obama. I have several friends and neighbors, all other moms, and not one of them is voting for Hillary. The Republicans among them will vote for McCain, but all the Dems and Independants ( like myself) are voting for Obama. My mom is in her 60s and lives in rural Ohio and has told me she and her friends do not like Hilary and are also planning on voting for Obama. My father, who owns hunting guns and has been a staunch Republican for years, has also informed me that he thinks he made a mistake, the country is a mess and he wants to see our troops and money home in the US and not lingering in Iraq. He says he will not vote for McCain and will vote for Obama!! You can't imagine how surpirsed I was to hear this coming from my dad!!! But it shows me in a very personal way that Obama can reach out to and win votes from a very diverse group of people. I cannot believe Hilary supporters would be dumb enough to back McCain in the upcoming election- or that Hillary Clinton herself would want that. If they truly respect their cantidate, let them respect her by following her all the way. I don't think she should step down early from the race, but when she conceeds, I hope her followers will have the good grace to support the winner.
Posted by: rees | May 21, 2008 11:42 AM
Just a side note, but the issue has been mentioned a few times here already, and I would like to comment on a common misconception.
A President can't "rescind" Roe v. Wade. It would take a subsequent ruling by the Supreme Court, or an amendment to the Constitution to change it. Secondly, even if Roe v. Wade were overturned by the Supreme Court, that decision by itself would not make abortion illegal or unavailable anywhere. It would simply return the issue to the states for each to decide whether it desired to permit abortion. There is nothing wrong with states differing on approaches to significant societal issues. The republic is doing just fine with various approaches to issues like gay marriage, euthanasia, medical marijuana possession, income tax, etc.
While some states may chose not to permit abortion, no one can seriously think that all 50 states will outlaw it.
The only reason I can think of that this never gets discussed is because conservatives want to drum up support for their candidates by appealing to those opposed to abortion by making them think "We can do away with abortion if we can just get the right people on the court," and liberals want to generate support for their candidates by scaring those who support abortion rights by claiming, "We're only a Supreme Court Justice or two away from losing access to abortions." Both of these claims are demonstrably ridiculous.
Posted by: Michael | May 21, 2008 11:47 AM
Hey, folks. You know the rules. 1) We owe Barack and Michelle the White House -- they are entitled. Therefore, 1) If you are black, vote your race. We love you. 2) If you are white, Hispanic, Asian or any other race, vote for Obama. NOTE: If you don't vote for Obama, you are uneducated and racist. We hate you. And Obama supporters actually believe this strategy is going to put their man in the White House?
Posted by: Jeff Richards | May 21, 2008 11:48 AM
Actually, Larry, African Americans have split their votes like all voters during the primary season. You're referring to the monolithic African American voting block for Democrats in the general election. I think the point is that among the Democrats, African Americans are preferring the African American candidate. It's clear that this voting bloc remains solid, while the female voting bloc, or the white voting bloc, such as it is, is anything but. I'd be a little more impressed with your argument if I heard at least any African Americans just say, like women do, that they are sticking with their candidate because of skin color (or gender).
Posted by: Bemused | May 21, 2008 11:48 AM
Mr. Obama will be doing without my vote. There is nothing anyone can say to me to try and guilt me into voting for him. I love my country. By his associations, his wife, and his lies it is really hard to tell which of his countries he loves.
I am appalled that so many of his supporters can just turn a blind eye to all his lies and associations.
Thank God the man is not electable.
Posted by: Mar | May 21, 2008 11:56 AM
NOTE: If you don't vote for Obama, you are uneducated and racist. We hate you. And Obama supporters actually believe this strategy is going to put their man in the White House?
Posted by: Jeff Richards | May 21, 2008 11:48 AM
Well I guess I'm alright then...I voted for Obama. You say we hate you.......yet overwhelmingly Obama supporters say they would vote for the party winner, yet Hillary supporters will not....HMMMM..who are the haters here?
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 21, 2008 11:58 AM
The people who made the nomination process all about race and sex are the Obama campaign and its enablers in the media.
Last week on ABC News Diane Sawyer seriously asked James Carville whether he thought Hillary Clinton should make a statement saying that she rejects the votes of racist voters.
Aside from the horribly offensive assumption that a majority of the people of West Virginia, Kentucky and any other state Clinton won are racist, Sawyer didn't ONCE think of asking that question to the Obama campaign about whether the "sweetie" candidate rejects sexist voters and should sweetie himself make a statement to that effect?
Carville very correctly flipped the question on Sawyer and asked her why the Obama campaign wasn't making a statement. That shut Diane up.
The Obama campaign is reaping what it's sown.
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 12:00 PM
The Obama campaign is reaping what it's sown.
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 12:00 PM
As if we would believe anything a die hard republican would say. You don't give a crap about Hillary or Obama. You just like to stir the pot because your candidate can't run on his own merits or issues. Don't give me that American hero bologna either...I've read enough of your posts to know what you think of vets. Your self serving interests in out primary don't interest me or anyone else.
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 21, 2008 12:14 PM
Just like how Obama's campaign has written off white women, Bill r. has just articulated how the opinions of republicans don't matter, either.
He can't argue substance that Obama's campaign didn't start the race and gender war so he's attacking the messenger.
But what else should we expect from an Obama supporter? That's what Illinois, Cook County and Chicago are under Obama. The state, county and city that works ONLY for the people that put Obama where he is. Are you a cousin of Toddler Stroger? You get a $150,00 job! Are you Michelle Obama? You get a federal earmark for your employer and a 300% raise! What? You're not connected? You get a tax hike.
That's what the USA would be under Obama, hard left policies would be passed to reward the extreme left that elected him and to H-E-double hockey sticks with the rest of you, ESPECIALLY the Hillary supporters!
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 12:33 PM
Pasty white bald husbands? Gee, we're not racist, I'm looking for some ashy skinned comments but I don't see any.
Haven't we had enough of this after a year and a half ? Does your boss let you go out and try to get a better job on his time?
Let's see what happens when Iacocca throw his hat into the ring, we need leadership, and it's not out there as one of the current choices. Who cares if they are black, white, male or female, we're messed up and I don't here ANY solutions on how to make this country great again.
Posted by: George | May 21, 2008 12:42 PM
I TOTALLY understand white women voting FOR Hillary. Blacks vote FOR Barack.
Blacks have, however, PROVEN they are also willing to vote for WHITE men and WHITE women. Come Nov., it will be interesting to see if WHITES refuse to vote for Barack because he's black.
If that's the case, so be it. It is WHO WE ARE.
There will be many reasons, of course, NOT to vote for Barack. And his race might be one of them. If it is, then it is just WHO WE ARE. The only problem is that by refusing to elect a person of color, then we are limiting our options - and that's NEVER a good thing.
Posted by: Bud McFarlin | May 21, 2008 12:51 PM
Well I'm half white, half Chinese, and half baked! I fought in the the MexIcan War, and I'd do it again.
Posted by: Bill Brasky | May 21, 2008 12:58 PM
Just wait till he picks Oprah for VP.
Posted by: mikey | May 21, 2008 1:07 PM
Are you guys talkin' 'bout Brasky? I want to be your dear friend!
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 1:07 PM
All interesting comments indeed! I'm a "swing-voting", former Republican, white male. I'll vote for a black, a white, a red, a yellow, a giant, a pygmy, a man or a woman but I'll NEVER vote for a liar with no memory who just happens to be from NY!
I, for one, do remember the Clinton years when the Lincoln bedroom was run as a "flop house" for rent to the exclusive, influence-peddling, glad-handers. I also remember that it was during those years that ENRON's legacy of greed was hatched and that ENRON's execs frequently used the Lincoln bedroom. I remember the "foreign interest" monies that found their way into the Clinton coffers. I also remember the long list of dead Clinton "friends" &/or "associates" who died as a result of some strange accident, the BS told to Congress, the long list of criminals that 'ol Bill released with a stroke of his pen, the foul-mouthed behavior used by the Clintons when addressing the White House staff and/or Secret Service personnel who happened to draw the "short-straw".
I also remember that Hillary was fired from the congressional legal staff during the Watergate investigation (..."Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in an interview last week. "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.")
Yep, you're darned right I remember. We don't need another Clinton in the White House...when everything was/is for sale!
Furthermore, it doesn't require much skill or previous experience to hand the keys to the Chinese...they own us so surely they deserve to have their keys!
Posted by: Cal T | May 21, 2008 1:15 PM
I'm a pasty, middle-class, female mech/electric drafter who had (HAD) a cheating pasty-white (but not balding) husband.
That had nothing to do with who I voted for.
I respect Hillary for her brains and guts, not her marital choice. I don't want old Bill anywhere near the Hill again (Capitol, that is.) - it would be almost as embarrassing as our current administration!
J.McCaine is TOO old school, though I admit he's had an admirable career and is a true war hero.
I'm going to put my money on the Bman, mostly because he is more intelligent and better educated than the average white Hilary/McCaine supporter, and partly because he doesn't have any ties (that I know of) to Big Oil, Monica L., etc.
We need someone intelligent and Honestly Creative back in the White House to clean up the mess. I can't see either MC or Hil being able to do it. Maybe not even Bman. But what other choices do we have?
Posted by: CherieL | May 21, 2008 1:24 PM
I'm a white woman... under the age of 40, making over 100k a year and not married either.... I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA. I think he is an infection that will cause the disease that will finally kill off this country. I would rather vote for McCain anyday than BO.. .and I have always been loyal to the Democratic party. But that loyalty has been shoved back into my face and it comes in the form of HOPE AND CHANGE. If this is the CHANGE that BO offers, then count me out... you can have the fraud of the decade. IF he does win the GE, which I don't believe he will... he'll be a one term just like Carter... doesn't anyone learn from our history???? WAKE UP BOTS, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
Posted by: radarmel | May 21, 2008 2:18 PM
I have been a Hillary supporter and can never will be able to vote for Obama. Just knowing he is a Chicago politician is enough to stop me from ever voting for him.
I have been a democrat for all of my 72 years but it looks like I will be voting Republican this year for the first time in my life.
Posted by: TM | May 21, 2008 2:19 PM
"NOTE: If you don't vote for Obama, you are uneducated and racist. We hate you. And Obama supporters actually believe this strategy is going to put their man in the White House?"
Posted by: Jeff Richards | May 21, 2008 11:48 AM
Well in this case I must be racist and uneducated for not voting for Obama...considering I am an educated African-American and a woman. Neither of these candidates have proven to me that they can run this country and that includes McCain with his sexist ideas (rescinding Roe vs. Wade...good way not to be elected).
I am at the point of not voting for anyone. This is the worst election process in the history of nominating candidates for President...everyone can thank the media and the people working on their campaign.
Posted by: YaVaughn H. | May 21, 2008 2:27 PM
I would never vote for Obama for various reasons but the main one is he is not qulaified and the big media is again selected our candidate for us with giving us enough information on this man we know hardly anything about.
I just don't trust him.
Posted by: AJ | May 21, 2008 2:30 PM
As a white woman who has backed Obama since his run for Senator, I truly believe this country will be very surprised
by the voteing results some people have been raised to hate and it's almost a part of breathing, But when your standing in front of that ballot
It's all in your hands and heart,
you do what you feel is the right choice only you can make up your own mind!
Posted by: Claire Frustine | May 21, 2008 2:36 PM
Obama can not win because he can't even carry the party.
The DNC is delusional if they think that the half of the party that is for Hillary will get behind Obama in the GE.
That is just too Hardy-Har-Har-Har funny!
He is telling his supporters to make nice with us!
Stop! All this laughter is hurting my stomach!
If he can't carry the party he certainly can not carry the country.
Posted by: John | May 21, 2008 2:40 PM
YaVaughn it's been posted many times, but a president does not have the power to rescind Roe v. Wade. Both Alito and Roberts have said they consider RvW "settled law" so McCain appointing more judges like them would not threaten your precious Roe.
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 2:51 PM
I am getting tired of hearing that some people are voting for Barak simply as a vote against Hillary or beause he is black. Others are voting for Hillary simply because she is a woman. Neither of these candidates, in my opinion are ready to take on the highest position in our great nation. One has way too much baggage and has proven to be inconsistent over the years. The other, while eloquent, does not have the experience or capability to lead our great country. It is very sad to me that these are the best that America has to offer. It is disgusting how much money has been spent on campaigns for all candidates. How far are we going to let this go? The financial component of our election process does not allow the opportunity for those without money to even consider entering the race. More and more uneducated voters are getting involved in the election process and simply voting for the "Icon" they like best. They are voting for the person that they can relate to....not the person who can really get the job done and has the experience it will take to run our country and be the Leader we all deserve. This is not some kind of game or popularity contest....this is a process to determine who can best take on the challenges that we will face as a country for the next 4 years.
Posted by: Lisa | May 21, 2008 3:20 PM
OK, I'm stupid, or naive, or something, but can someone explain to me as if I were a 4 year-old the motivation of committed Clinton backers to defect to McCain and the Republicans? How does that serve their needs? Clearly, the differences between Obama and Clinton are narrower than between McCain and either of them. And anyone supporting Clinton for her stands on issues has to see that. The next president will appoint, probably, three Supreme Court justices. Do Clinton supporters really have that much antipathy to Obama that they would shoot themselves in the foot and elect someone who will surely cement a young and in all likelihood rigidly conservative court in place for at least a generation? This election should be about rational ideas, not a base emotional appeal to either racism or sexism. Take the long view, people. Climb to the top of the tree and look at the forest.
Posted by: Michael | May 21, 2008 5:18 PM
Michael, maybe because the country's in an economic and foreign policy mess and if McCain can't fix everything in four short years their preferred candidate will get another shot whereas if they vote for Obama it's an 8-year wait for another chance at the big chair and Hillary will be nearly as old as McCain is now.
On top of all that, I think the manner Obama and his supporters have treated Clinton and, particularly women voters is deeply offensive to them.
Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2008 5:39 PM
I am for Hillary 100%. I am a white educated woman and my family is for Hillary. I am not spineless and my husband is neither bald or paty and he did not have an affair.
I am not for Barak because he is not prepared. He is an excellent speaker.
Speaking is not doing and McCain may win if Hillary is not on the ticket.
The DNC needs to count all votes NOW and in the future stop having super delegates. Representation by Precinct is good enough to represent the people.
While male reporting is biased I am sorry to say. What are they afraid of? A Strong Intelligent woman with Perspective and a Hard Working Candidate who makes sense?? She should be the President. Barak is a good VP Candidate. They need to run together this year.
Posted by: B Kemp | May 21, 2008 8:47 PM
To Bemused:
Really, is it going to matter to you whether or not blacks need to tell you why they vote for Obama? This monolithic thing you're talking about is weak. You failed to cite my point of the 1960 election. Plus I'm sure if Mitt Romney were the presumptive Republican candidate, gee, I wonder how many Mormons will review his credentials and wring their hands over whether or not to vote for him. Methinks, not many. The point is that people will tend to vote for whomever they feel closest in viewpoints, ideology and (yes, gender and race). Blacks admitting that they will vote for Obama because he's black will not change your views, will it? You'll just pick on something else like Barack not wearing a lapel pin, to "justify" why you won't vote for him. To this, I couldn't care less who you choose for the primary or general election. Just vote for who you want. It is your right.
Using the "monolithic argument" against blacks wasn't an issue in the past...but NOW it's a BIG issue, correct?
Guess, Black people are just lemmings. Just like they were with Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, and Roosevelt. Guess we cannot think for ourselves. Obama's half white....I guess we blacks need to rethink our position. Oh lordy, what is we gonna do, boss?
Posted by: Larry Hovis | May 22, 2008 1:15 AM
Democratic winning ticket!
Hillary Clinton for President
Barack Obama for Vice-President. That way he can gain the experience he needs.
This is the only winning Democratic ticket.
Posted by: Like It Is | May 22, 2008 2:25 AM