McCain camp: Obama "flip-flop" on guns: The Swamp
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Posted June 26, 2008 12:56 PM
The Swamp

by Mike Dorning

Republican John McCain's campaign is accusing of "an incredible flip-flop" on guns now that the presidential campaign is in full swing.

In a conference call with reporters organized by the McCain campaign, Sen. Sam Brownback, (R-KS) claimed he was "amazed" by Obama's reaction today's Supreme Court ruling striking down the District of Columbia's handgun ban

Brownback called Obama's statement on the ruling an attempt to "sidestep" his earlier positions. "This is either an incredible flip-flop, or shows incredible inexperience on this issue," Brownback said.

Randy Scheunemann, senior policy adviser to the campaign, described what he called Obama's "positions, plaural," on the right to bear arms. "He has a clear record of opposing Second Amendment gun rights," he said.

"He's demonstrating that there's really no position he holds that he's not willing to change," Scheunemann added.

McCain, for his part, hailed the Supreme Court ruling without reservation.

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The master Flip-Flopper should know a flip-flop, when he sees one. It's too bad he didn't have his glasses on, on this one !!! Senator Obama is not locked in to an ideology, he has the intelligence to change his mind when he sees, it is necessary, just like, Senator " Questionable Conduct " McCain, who hasn't changed his ideology in 50 years, but sure has flip-flopped enough times !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.


Just wait for him to flip-flop back when Harry and King Richard Daley tell him what his opinion is. Change you can xerox.


McBush’s Flip Flops
* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.
* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea..
* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
* McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

McBush’s Flip Flops Continued

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.
* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
* McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.
* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.
* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.


McBush’s Flip Flops Continued again

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.
* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.
* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.
* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.
* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.
* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.


Remeber how Obama was against FISA before Harry told him he was for it, too? Don't worry, Barack, it's only national security, after all. The moron above is just making things up, too. McCain's always been against ethanol and the pork that Obama and Dick Turbin get from the ethanol industry.


I used to like McCain but now he sounds more like Karl Rove with the flip flop reference to all Obama says.


John McCain, more flip-flops than a freshly snagged carp on a warm, sunny day.


More flipper than a 1960s TV show. All together now, WITH FEELING, "McFlipper, McFlipper, faster than lightning, for no one you see, can McFlip quite like he..."


Anyone doing their homework would know Obama hasn't flipped or flopped on this. He said long ago he believed, as a constitutional matter, the 2nd amendment was an individual right. At the same time, as the court said today, there can be reasonable restrictions; anyone living in an urban area knows that there must be some control or we might as well just stay home 24 hours a day.


Wow! The Repuglicans are really desperate this year.


John McBush, depending on what day of the week it is, has a different policy position than he did the day before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI


I still think there's a 50/50 chance that the GOP will replace McCain with a better candidate at their convention. The GOPer's have already tried running a Bob Dole campaign and it didn't work out to well for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c


Wasn't the 'big bang' how the universe started?
The end of Republicanism as we know it might go by a different name. In any event, I'm personally hoping that the GOP doesn't cease to exist altogether because I love watching them lose. A House majority of 335-100 and 75-25 in the Senate sound just about right to give them a presence in Government just big enough for a series of humiliating defeats on every progressive issue.


McFLIP-FLOP shouldn't throw stones at glass houses!

McCain Flip-Flops on oil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHKAgF7xpU

McCain Flip-Flops on tax cuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw

McCain Flip-Flops on ethanol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT3q3PVZ_ck

John McCain Flip Flops on the confederate flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN8EMmML-es&feature=related

etc, etc, etc...


WOW! The economy sucks but I guess we need to talk about guns. Great vision GOP!!!


Oh I'm glad you said that, Rupert! Because I HAVE done my homework. In 1996 Obama endorsed a handgun ban for all of Illinois when he was running for state senate. Here's factcheck.org to disprove your lies:
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
You want to change your BS story now?


Any pledge Obama makes has a "shelf life".

Time and time again Obama has come out--enthusiastically-- for banning handguns. Many of the statements are cataloged at http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=5ad36015-aa6f-4d85-9b1c-60b62b813aea

For example, the Swamp's Oliphant reported on Nov. 20, 2007, that "Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional."

And on Sept. 9, 1996, he filled in the IVI questionnaire and stated that he opposed the death penalty, and supported a law banning handguns.

And does anyone, even Obama supporters, doubt that Obama, if elected president, would appoint judges who'd vote to ban handguns?


Wrong Jeff.
An aide incorrectly filled out that form 12 years ago. Obama in Feb. 2008 gave his opinion of an individual right. So go off somewhere and take target practice.


Hey Jeff,
How many "McCain blogging points" have you racked up this month?
-
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/21/mccain-seeks-internet-trolls-to-push-campaign-approved-talking-points/


Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock,
I’m a little McCain FlipFlop,
First I’m here, and next I’m there,
Don’t be confused by my vote getting cares.


On lobby money I have taken my share,
Keating 5 was my first foray there,
Then when outted I changed my stance,
Now I stand firmly against campaign finance.


Next on votes I may stand here or there,
I have a record of voting with Democrats cares,
In fact you find that I’m quite a rouge,
You never know where I’ll be when the wind blows.


Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock,
I’m a little McCain FlipFlop,
First I’m here, and next I’m there,
Don’t be confused by my smoke screen smears.


And should we disagree, I’ll dig my feet in and put up a fuss,
I am an angry man with Machiavellian gloves,
I hit my opponents from the front, then slice them from the rear,
All the time saying, My Friend, its just politics, not to fear.


On the Bush Tax Cuts I was against them for years,
Only 2 republicans voted against them to be clear,
But now I need votes and I see the error of my ways,
I am for the Tax Cuts as long as it pays.


On immigration I stood firmly with the left,
Free pass to immigration for tax paying illegals seemed to me best,
But now that Republican votes are my aim,
I can see more clearly the politics of border control game.
It may not appear that I have changed my position to support the wall,
As long as a vote never occurs for my senate immigration proposal.


Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock,
I’m a little McCain FlipFlop,
First I’m here, and next I’m there,
So don’t be disappointed when you find me courting democrat cares.


I dunno, John e, how many have you? You spend a fair amount of time here blogging, probably from your Mom's basement.


Obama sounded more like a 3rd grader trying to remember his position paper, but what would I know.


Obama is supposed to be the great Constitutional Law Professor. Gotta tell ya, NOT feelin' it.


In 1996, Obama stated, in writing, his support for a complete ban on the sale AND possession of all handguns. (See, Politico, March 31, 2008, "Obama had greater role on liberal survey" .)

In addition, as reported by Politico (see, "Obama linked to gun control efforts", April 18, 2008), while Obama's presidential campaign has worked to assure uneasy gun owners that he believes the Constitution protects their rights, before he became a national political figure, for 8 years he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation (the Joyce Foundation) that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions (including paying to support a book called "Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns".

Obama: Was for a hand gun ban, now opposes it. Was against the death penalty, now supports it. Was against the FISA law telecom immunity provisions, voted for it. Was for public financing for the general presidential election, now opts out. Will the real Barack Obama please stand up?


Senator Obama,

Perhaps you didn't understand it the first time when I wrote that it's not a politician or justice of supreme court's job to decide whether a right enumerated to the people by the bill of rights is legal or not in ANY locale, be it Chicago or Cheyenne. For your remedial education, I'll repeat myself here.

We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or (yes) even future judges think that scope too broad. We would not apply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie. See National Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, 432 U. S. 43 (1977) (per curiam). The First Amendment contains the freedom-of-speech guarantee that the people ratified, which included exceptions for obscenity, libel, and disclosure of state secrets, but not for the expression of extremely unpopular and wrongheaded views. The Second Amendment is no different. Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people—which JUSTICE BREYER would now conduct for them anew. And whatever else it leaves to future evaluation, it surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home."


McSame - talking to Tim Russert June 19, 2005

“Now, I know that some of these guys [at Guantanamo] are terrible, terrible killers and the worst kind of scum of humanity. But, one, they deserve to have some adjudication of their cases. And there’s a fear that if you release them that they’ll go back and fight again against us. And that may have already happened. But balance that against what it’s doing to our reputation throughout the world and whether it’s enhancing recruiting for people to join al-Qaeda and other organizations and want to do bad things to the United States of America. I think, on balance, the argument has got to be — the weight of evidence has got to be that we’ve got to adjudicate these people’s cases, and that means that if it means releasing some of them, you’ll have to release them.

“Look, even Adolf Eichmann got a trial.”


McSwitch has alzheimer's. whiteagle38


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