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December 31, 2008

My 2009 Hall of Fame ballot

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Let's begin with a confession: I am a Hall of Fame voting flip-flopper.

I learned last year what this means. 2008 marked my second year as a voter, and I changed my mind on some people, and boy, did I hear it from people. Which is, of course, what makes voting for the Hall such a privilege. Because people care that much.

So let me try once more to explain why this, my third ballot, is different than my second ballot, which differed from my first:

Because I _ like most of us, I'd think _ am trying to get better at life every year.

I tried to be a better father in 2008 than I was in 2007. A better husband. A better friend.

I stopped buying black-and-white cookies in the middle of the day. My wife just purchased me a Fruit of the Month Club membership for Hanukkah.

And the same goes for my job. I'd like to think I tried my darndest on my 2008 ballot. But I nearly gagged when I read this passage:

Jack Morris: His numbers might not stand out among the all-time greats, and this is a vote on which I could change in the future. Right now, I view him as the best of his time period (1977-94). The last starting pitcher to get voted in on the BBWAA ballot, interestingly, was Nolan Ryan in 1999. Morris deserves it, in my mind, because his innings pitched (3,824) back up his reputation as a workhorse; because his 254 wins reflect the fact that he hung around games for so many decisions; and because of his postseason excellence. Yes.

If I could get my hands on a DeLorean and some plutonium, I would go back to Dec. 20, 2007 and smack '07 Davidoff upside the head, like 2015 Biff did to 1955 Biff in "Back to the Future Part II." Citing pitchers' wins and a postseason record which is not as good as advertised? Oy vey.

A year ago, I'm not even sure I fully understood OPS+ and ERA+. Now, they are staples of my analytical diet. Perhaps I will be using more sophisticated tools a year from now.

My point being, to lock in on a Hall of Fame decision and stick to it is to rule out future, deeper levels of understanding - that we're all trying to attain, at everything we do.

On a related note, I'm convinced more than ever that actually seeing these candidates play can be as much a hindrance as a benefit. When I think of these Hall of Fame candidates, I initially think of individual moments. For Morris, indeed, it's this game. For Andre Dawson, it's this game, because I attended it and it was part of his 1987 season that won him NL MVP honors. For Jim Rice, it's the entire 1978 season.

But Hall of Fame candidates shouldn't be judged on snapshots, IMHO. They should be evaluated on entire albums of information. The statistics stand the test of time. Our memories are not as reliable.

I'm going to keep working at this voting thing, for as long as it's still the BBWAA's responsibility. And to me, to keep working at it means to keep processing new information. Even if it results in some flip-flops.

Now, the ballot, please:

Harold Baines: For a DH, he just didn't do enough. No.

Jay Bell: I laughed when, looking over his baseball-reference.com page, I was reminded that he concluded his career with the awful 2003 Mets. What typifies that team better than the fact that they have three candidates on this list? In Bell, David Cone and Mo Vaughn, they had three excellent players at their respective bitter ends. No.

Bert Blyleven: No flip-flopping on this guy: Three ballots, three Yeses. The high number of losses should be ignored, as should all the homers he allowed. The guy could deal. He passed the 200-innings pitched mark 16 times. He struck out 3,701 batters. He's in.

David Cone: One of my all-time favorite people whom I covered, and man, he had some terrific years. Not enough, however. When you compare his innings pitched (2,899) with starting pitchers already in the Hall and even Cone's competitors on this very ballot, the affable right-hander falls short. No.

Andre Dawson: A yes in my first two years, but that .career 323 on-base percentage really, really bothers me. In that MVP year in '87, he tallied a .328 OBP. Yeesh. Yes, he was highly respected for the way he played the game, but I'm no longer comfortable including him among the elite. No.

Ron Gant: First words that came to my head when I saw his name on the ballot: "Motorcycle accident" (mentioned here). No.

Mark Grace: A very nice career, but not one that merits serious consideration for induction. No.

Rickey Henderson: I look forward to reading the explanation from any voter who doesn't put first-year candidate Rickey on his ballot. Need I even waste time and space elaborating on my Yes vote?

My favorite personal Rickey story came in spring training 2002, when Henderson _ with the Red Sox at this point _ styled after hitting a homer off Orlando Hernandez. El Duque, always on edge, started yelling at Rickey, who shouted back. Afterward, while speaking to the media, Rickey repeatedly referred to Hernandez as "The Duque."

Tommy John: A medical pioneer of sorts, and a darn good pitcher, before and after his surgery. Never quite dominant, however. No.

Don Mattingly: Here's a guy whose career I know about as well as anyone's, and yet the annual look at his b-r page always jolts me. Good Lord, was he phenomenal from 1984 through 1987, and then still excellent in 1988 and 1989, and then he turned into Mark Grace. Please, don't give me the "His numbers were similar to Kirby Puckett's!" line. Puckett played in the middle of the diamond. No.

Mark McGwire: We surely are going to elect some players who used illegal performance-enhancing drugs, and who got away with it. But does that mean we should not punish those for whom we have accumulated evidence? To the contrary, I think that we should use these discoveries to our advantage.

I'm comfortable with what has been gathered on McGwire. Keep in mind that his infamous "I'm not here to talk about the past" proclamation came about a month after he categorically denied using illegal PEDs to "60 Minutes." Once he was under oath, in other words, his tune changed.

When you throw in the fact that McGwire offered to admit steroid usage in return for immunity at that 2005 Congressional hearing _ a fact first divulged by Congressman Tom Davis, and which I have confirmed through an independent source _ then my burden of proof has been satisfied. No. And he would be a Yes for me based solely on his career.

Jack Morris: I absolutely was leaning on my childhood and adolesecent impressions when I voted yes on him the prior two years. A fresh look at the numbers convinces me that he's just not there. A 105 ERA+? A 3.90 ERA? 2,478 strikeouts in 3,824 innings pitched? No.

Dale Murphy: His career reminds me a litte bit of Mattingly's: A handful of elite years surrounded by some decent seasons. No.

Jesse Orosco: Talk about snapshots. But No, of course.

Dave Parker: One of my favorite players when I was a kid, and when I watched the 1979 World Series on DVD, last year, I was struck again how Parker was far and away the best player on the field. Nevertheless, I switched to No last year, and I'm going to stick with that. His length of career makes him an interesting candidate, but the .339 on-base percentage and the fact that he had just one elite season (1985) after 1979 deterred me from supporting him.

Dan Plesac: A great guy and great quote, as you'll see when he appears on the MLB Network as an analyst. That said, No.

Tim Raines: Here's an instance in which I think first-hand observation does impact my decision. Because I got to see what kind of teammate Raines was. He was great with Joe Torre's Yankees from 1996 through 1998, keeping everyone loose with his sense of humor and talking hitting with the younger players on the team.

Now, that written, I think Raines is a Yes, anyway. His personality just strengthens the argument. Raines played long enough that he produced what felt like two distinct careers _ the first (1981-95) as an underappreciated leadoff hitter, the latter (1996-2002) as a very productive part-time player.

Such longevity produced 390 win shares, a statistic created by Bill James in which 400 win shares merits "absolute enshrinement" into the Hall, as this linked story states. Raines' .385 on-base percentage and extremely high stolen-base percentage (808 stolen bases in 954 attempts, an 85 percent success rate) boost his candidacy, as does his .435 OBP with runners in scoring position.

As for his cocaine habit, that's not a disqualifying factor to me. He wasn't cheating; to the contrary, using coke very likely hurt his game. And while I respect Bob Tufts' opinion, always, I disagree with his assertion that we can make an easy link between cocaine usage and association with gamblers. That's too slippery a slope for my liking. As I've said to Bob, couldn't you say that a player's messy divorce and subsequent alimony payments make him more vulnerable to gamblers?

Jim Rice: Ah, Mr. Rice, the most controversial call of all. My first two years, he was a slam-dunk yes, no questions asked.

But to go back to my original premise of why I flip-flop, I'm not blind to what's out there. I've read the many arguments in favor of and against Mr. Rice's induction. And many of them have stuck with me.

The home-road splits are remarkable. Then I re-read Howard Bryant's superb book about the Red Sox's history of racism, "Shut Out," and thought, "True, Rice benefited from playing at Fenway Park. But it was no gift to be playing in Boston in his time period." I e-mailed this thought to Howard, and he admitted he had never regarded Rice's HOF candidacy through that prism.

The offensive totals fall short, and his .8539 career OPS ties him for 147th all-time. He trails his era mates Reggie Smith (.855) and Jack Clark (.8543).

At the end, having it pounded into my head that Rice was "feared," I looked at some of his offensive splits (you also can see the home-away disparity here):

Runners in Scoring Position: .371 OBP/.501 SLG//872 OPS. A better OBP than overall, one tick lower in slugging.
2 outs, runners in scoring position: .358/.414/.773. Better OBP by a little, and much worse SLG.
Late and close: .337/.453/.791. So when the "chips were down," as they say, he was 53 points of OPS worse than overall.

When you throw in his poor defense, I went with No. I'm sure he'll get in anyway, in his final year of eligibility, and I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

Lee Smith: For some reason, I voted him on my first ballot two years ago, and now, I find him an easy No. What strikes me most is his 1.256 WHIP - so much worse than modern closers like Mariano Rivera (1.020) and Trevor Hoffman (1.049).

Alan Trammell: A no in '07, a yes last year and now a Yes again. He had seven seasons of a 120 OPS+ or better - great for a shortstop (Cal Ripken, Jr. also had seven such campaigns, and Ozzie Smith zero). His defense was excellent.

Greg Vaughn: No.

Mo Vaughn: I was blown away when I saw the career 132 OPS+. But he was done at age 35. And he didn't quite remind Mets fans (or Red Sox fans, or Angels fans) of Keith Hernandez with the leather. No.

Matt Williams: No, because of both this and this.

Sorry for the delay in getting this out. Been busy here in Motown. Attended this game tonight. The Pistons do an amazing job of catering to young fans. I'm curious to see how much New York's new ballparks, football stadium and arenas do that.

Thanks to this site, this site and this site for the photos.

December 25, 2008

Christmas thoughts: Hall of Fame, World Baseball Classic and Mark Teixeira

sb20080325o1a.jpgMost important, a Merry Christmas to all. Have a great day.

A few thoughts, what with baseball showing little sign of slowing down for the holidays, and with me showing little sign of completely vegging out during my vacation:

  • The regulars know that I tend to be very critical of the BBWAA in all matters, and that I think it's only a matter of time _ before I retire _ until the Hall of Fame comes up with a different (very possibly better) way of inducting its nominees.

    But I do want to clear up one criticism, one that seems to be prominent. I'm making an obvious point, but it seems as though some are missing it.

    When people say, "How could Jim Rice go from getting 29.8 percent of the vote in 1995 to being on the precipice now?" please keep in mind that the voting base has changed dramatically in that period. It's not like it's the same 500 people voting, and over 200 of them have changed their minds.

    Jack O'Connell,, the secretary-treasurer of the BBWAA, told me that, on average, he adds 12-to-15 voters to his list _ one must be a BBWAA member for 10 years to get a Hall of Fame ballot _ and deletes eight to 12, due to death and retirement.

    There can be variations. to those numbers. For instance, largely because the BBWAA added two new chapters in 1998 _ Tampa and Phoenix, what with the birth of the Devil Rays and Diamondbacks _ and those chapters featured a plethora of people who were first-year members, O'Connell added 32 voters last year, once those teams were in existence for a full decade.

    So figure that, from the 1995 ballot to the 2009 ballot, there have been approximately 225 additions to the voter list (including myself), and 150 subtractions. In a voting body that numbered 543 for the 2008 ballot, you're talking about a 41 percent turnover.

    Are there still voters that change their minds? Absolutely, and we'll get to that subject when I post my ballot here in the next few days. Is 15 years too long a period? It very well could be. But I did want to issue that point of clarification.

  • We haven't discussed the World Baseball Classic much here, because when the last one occurred, I wasn't a blogger yet.

    Long, personal story short: Beforehand, I thought it would suck, and that it would cause more injuries. I was outraged by the WBC organizers' arrogance regarding the injuries (Bud Selig repeatedly referred to the issue as "bogus") and by their finger-wagging toward those who dared to skip the event.

    After covering it, I thought it was a really fun event. Much more exciting than I anticipated. And after the '06 regular season concluded, it seemed that some WBC players did suffer, but not dramatically enough to neutralize the WBC's success.

    Now that we're amping up toward another WBC, however, I see certain patterns repeating themselves. One is that disapproval toward players who don't want to play. When Ryan Howard announced that he wouldn't play for Team USA, the Philadelphia Daily News' Bill Conlin responded by mocking Howard.

    I don't get it. Is there some higher call of duty that requires players to participate in this? It's not war. It's a for-profit baseball tournament.

    Here is the only "excuse" that players should need to skip the event: "I appreciate the invitation, but I feel that it would hinder my preparation for the 2009 championship season." Crisp and clean, no caffeine.

    Both Selig and Players Association COO Gene Orza have been guilty of demonizing players who dare not participate. It's nothing short of disgraceful, this idea that the players are obligated to do this.

  • Kat O'Brien has some good details of the Yankees' last-minute negotiations with Mark Teixeira.

    Some of you _ and when I write "some of you," I mean "baileywalk" _ thought I came off as emotional, over the fact that I had been writing for months that the Yankees wouldn't sign Teixeira and then they went out and did. Sure, I had some egg on my face, and yes, I did feel stupid for falling for some lies, and I'm not going to sit here and say that didn't impact what I wrote.

    But it went beyond that. I thought the Yankees had finally learned their lesson about the dangers of too many long-term contracts. I believed in their plan. I supported Brian Cashman when he didn't trade for Johan Santana last winter, and then didn't trade for Sabathia this past summer. I simply never thought they would risk putting themselves in the situation they just completed, when they couldn't wait to unload a ton of salary.

    And when they jumped into a long-term marriage with Teixeira, after already signing up CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, I reacted with surprise and some disapproval.

    Another concern: Cashman also worked hard to change the culture of the clubhouse. To get the players to stop looking to the front office - "We need a new starting pitcher!" - every time there was a three-game losing streak. To create a sense of accountability, and also enthusiasm about the team's own farm system. And to make for a little more urgency, what with fewer long-term commitments.

    Maybe the acquisitions of Teixeira, Sabathia and Burnett won't blow up those cultural changes; I believe those changes really worked, particularly after the help that Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy all provided in 2007. Maybe there'll still be opportunities for the kids, when you look at centerfield and the fifth starting pitcher's job (although I still think Andy Pettitte will wind up coming back).

    Meanwhile, however, if you look ahead to 2015, the Yankees could be paying $23 million to a 35-year-old Sabathia, $27.5 million to a 40-year-old Alex Roriguez and $22.5 million to a 35-year-old Teixeira.

    Maybe Sabathia (who, to be clear, might be an ex-Yankee for four seasons at that point, if he exercises his opt-out after 2011) and Teixeira will both still be elite at age 35. But we've seen in this testing era that players are getting older sooner, if you will. Just look at Hideki Matsui, who went from a great re-sign Iron Man at age 31 to, at 35, looking like Sideshow Bob when he keeps walking into the rakes in this episode.

    If you tell me, "I don't care about 2015!" I'll say fine, that sure, the 2009 Yankees are looking pretty good.

    But, in the 1998-99 offseason, when the Yankees and Mets handed out seven-year commitments to Bernie Williams and Mike Piazza, respectively, you could've told me, "I don't care about 2005!" When 2005 rolled around, however, you sure cared about seeing those two icons embarrassing themselves at their respective positions.

  • Thanks to this site for the photo.

  • December 8, 2008

    Winter meetings: Veterans Committee inducts Joe Gordon into the Hall of Fame

    JoeGordon_9.10.41Here is the story.

    Richie Sexson ain't done yet. He didn't play again following his brief, blah stay with the Yankees in 2008, but his agent Casey Close is working to get him a job.

    Ari Fleischer, the former press secretary for George W. Bush, is here. He does consulting work for Major League Baseball and is speaking to the teams' public-relations folks today.

    Thanks to this site for the photo.

    December 1, 2008

    Your 2009 Hall of Fame ballot

    Debate away:

    Harold Baines
    Jay Bell
    Bert Blyleven
    David Cone
    Andre Dawson
    Ron Gant
    Mark Grace
    Rickey Henderson
    Tommy John
    Don Mattingly
    Mark McGwire
    Jack Morris
    Dale Murphy
    Jesse Orosco
    Dave Parker
    Dan Plesac
    Tim Raines
    Jim Rice
    Lee Smith
    Alan Trammell
    Greg Vaughn
    Mo Vaughn
    Matt Williams.

    I haven't received my ballot yet. When I fill it out, closer to the end of the month, I'll share it with you.

    November 21, 2008

    Catching up: All things Mike Mussina, the NL MVP "debate" and Luis Castillo

    Sum07-p-RyanHoward-2.jpgAmong the many Mike Mussina reflections out there has been the notion that the six-year, $88.5-million contract he signed with the Yankees, back in December 2000, is one of the best, big-money contracts ever given to a free-agent pitcher.

    I guess it is, but I think that speaks as much to the lack of success Mussina's contemporaries registered as it does the work of Mussina himself.

    Look at the list James K. provided, in the item below, on Mussina's finest seasons. Of Mussina's 10 best years, from an ERA+ standpoint, three of them occurred during Mussina's six-year deal - 2001 (142), 2003 (129) and 2006 (129). He was pretty good (109) in 2002 and slightly below average in 2004 (98) and 2005 (96).

    Now, keep in mind, he was being paid as an elite pitcher these six years. And while the Yankees aren't about to ask for their money back, he performed as an elite pitcher for only half of the contract.

    It's just another example of the problem behind free agents, as we've discussed: You're often paying them for what they've done, rather than what they're going to do, and no matter how often you say think otherwise, the good times won't make the not-so-good feel any better. In 2004 and 2005, the Yankees and their fans weren't saying, "Well, Moose has slipped some, but we'll always have 2001!" They were saying, "Uh oh, he's not as good as he used to be."

  • As for Mussina's Hall of Fame candidacy, I said "Probably yes" yesterday, and I'll stick to that. It's a tough call. Richie G. asked about the fact that Mussina had only four seasons with 200-plus strikeouts, and he also noted that Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine didn't rack up the Ks.

    I guess it depends on how exclusive you want to keep the Hall. If you're talking about the elite starting pitchers of the last 20 years, then you're talking about Roger Clemens (whose candidacy is in jeopardy), Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. The next tier includes Glavine, Maddux, Mussina, Curt Schilling and John Smoltz, in alphabetical order. Smoltz and Schilling were the most dominant of that group, strikeout-wise, but there's something to be said for durability and efficiency, too. Glavine didn't go on the disabled list until 2008. Maddux was a strike-throwing machine (although, in his later years, he seemed fine departing after five innings and 75 pitches).

    As I keep stressing, however, I think it's only a matter of time _ certainly within my professional lifetime, as someone who is the same age as Richie G. _ before the Hall of Fame is no longer the BBWAA's domain.

  • OK, I read Murray Chass' take on the NL MVP, as prompted by Jack, and it won't shock you that I strongly disagree. Most of all, I take offense to Murray's implication that I didn't know what I was doing.

    "You want a player of the year? Pick Pujols," Chass wrote. "You want a most valuable player? Hail Howard. Too bad too many voters might not have understood the difference."

    What I understand best is that a) the Cardinals were in the pennant race until the middle of September, and b) that wouldn't have been the case without Pujols. Pujols' numbers are ridiculously better than Howard, and Pujols is also a vastly superior fielder and baserunner.

    To penalize Pujols because the Phillies had Brad Lidge and the Cardinals didn't is, to me, absurd. Now, I understand that I'm being a hypocrite, because I didn't put Tim Lincecum on my ballot due to the Giants' irrelevance. But the Cardinals were very much relevant. They were a good team that impacted the pennant race.

  • Good story by Joel Sherman on Luis Castillo. Apparently Castillo wants a second chance with the Mets and is taking accountability for the fact that he was not fully ready to play in 2008. That has to make the Mets feel a little better about their situation at second base. I just don't see Orlando Hudson becoming a Met, at this point.

  • Oh, and don't take Hal Steinbrenner's ultimatum (or whatever it was) seriously. The Yankees badly want CC Sabathia. If he makes them wait until a week before Opening Day 2009, they'll wait.

  • With our Yankees beat writer Kat O'Brien taking a well-deserved vacation, the River Ave. Blues folks are filling in on our Yankees blog. It's good stuff. I encourage you to check it out.

  • Thanks to this site for the photo.

  • October 6, 2008

    Hall of Fame debate, lite

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    It doesn't quite generate the same passion as arguing which players belong in the Hall, but I love discussing broadcasters and their Cooperstown worthiness. I think it's great how certain broadcasters become extensions of their teams, with Vin Scully and the Dodgers as the all-time example. And the Ford Frick Award winner always brings smiles on induction day.

    (Whereas, as the regulars know, I think it's a joke that writers are affiliated in any way with the Hall).

    So here are this year's 10 finalists for the Frick Award:

    Billy Berroa (Spanish radio and TV with the Mets, 1987-93, 1997-2007)
    Tom Cheek (Expos, 1974-76, and Blue Jays 1977-2004)
    Ken Coleman (Indians, 1954-63 and 1975-78, and Red Sox, 1966-74 and 1979-89)
    Dizzy Dean (24 years with Cardinals radio and national radio)
    Jacques Doucet (34 years as the Expos' French radio voice)
    Lanny Frattare (Pirates radio, 1976-2008)
    Tony Kubek (30 years, including national telecasts for NBC and time with the Blue Jays and Yankees).
    Graham McNamee (13 seasons with Westinghouse and NBC)
    Joe Nuxhall (Reds broadcaster, 1967-2004)
    Dave Van Horne (33 years with the Expos, 2001-08 with the Marlins)

    Here is the whole story.

    I'd vote for Kubek, because I enjoyed his work both with national games on NBC and with the Yankees on MSG. I'd also be curious to see the scene if Kubek showed up. As the New York Times' Harvey Araton reported recently, Kubek has had nothing to do with baseball since quitting his announcing gig in 1994. He has never seen Derek Jeter play in a big-league game!

    But I admit that I don't really know these other guys very well.

    Thoughts, anyone?

    Thanks to this site for the photo, and apologies to Watchdog for approaching his jurisdiction.

    September 16, 2008

    Yet another Hall of Fame debate

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    I feel like I'm feeding the mogwais after midnight here, but our little community here certainly loves us some Hall of Fame discussions. So...here is the latest.

    The Veterans Committee will consider these 10 candidates.

    1) Dick Allen
    2) Gil Hodges
    3) Jim Kaat
    4) Tony Oliva
    5) Al Oliver
    6) Vada Pinson
    7) Ron Santo
    8) Luis Tiant
    9) Joe Torre
    10) Maury Wills

    Without conducting the sort of hard-core research I'd do for an actual HOF ballot, I think Hodges, Santo and Torre are the most serious canddates. I put up the Tiant photo because I think he's a great guy. He hangs around Fenway Park a good amount and is ultra-friendly.

    Candidates must receive 75 percent of the voting panel, which, as we type, consists of the 64 living Hall of Famers. As this MLB.com story explains, there's a separate ballot coming up that features 10 former big-leaguers whose careers began in 1942 or earlier. The 10 we identified here all began their careers in 1943 or later.

    Thoughts?

  • Thanks to this site for the photo.