The Neutral Corner

A projected fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather would be a hard assignment to make it happen. Mayweather's appeal as a fighter is weak as water yet, he wants to have the lion's share. Unless he accepts to team Pacquiao's purse demand, this thing will be a no show. Mayweather if he has the caliber of a fighter he who thinks he is should be facing Berto, Ortiz, Margarito, Williams, Mosley. He can try even to face Darchinyan because he is a loud mouth as well, Valero, Juan Manuel Lopez. Other than Pacquiao as his opponent, PPV buys will be as lazy as he is lazy to fight in the ring. Pacquiao's team should just ignore him. The only thing why they are entertaining this unworthy matchup is all about the green. Mayweather's style is not boxing noteworthy, no thrill, no action.

Anyone with common sense knows that majority of Pacman's fans don't pay for ppv, so how can someone make the assumption he is that big of a ppv star. If he really is, than Mayweather is a big ppv star, bigger than pac. You can't say DLH and Hatton made all the sales for Mayweather and made none for Pac, it's not realistic. That said I hope Arum doesn't get in the way of Mayweather vs Pacquiao, we all know how greedy he is.

Mayweather, Jr. came out of his hiding because of one thing. He is chasing Pacquiao for a money fight. He knows Pacquiao is the new cash cow and the better draw. He knows that he is not the better draw himself. That's why he is chasing Pacquiao. If he thinks he is the better draw, then he should've not came out of his hiding then and stayed there with his tail tucked on his ass.

Mayweather, Jr. came out of his hiding because of one thing. He is chasing Pacquiao for a money fight. He knows Pacquiao is the new cash cow and the better draw. He knows that he is not the better draw himself. That's why he is chasing Pacquiao. If he thinks he is the better draw, then he should've not came out of his hiding then and stayed there with his tail tucked on his ass.

Its funny how some are so blinded by pacman they are ignorant to the fact that Mayweather's biggest paper view buys are larger than Pacquaio's. Then they say that those #s are because of his opponets but when Pacquaio fights those same opponets his numbers are not as much as Floyd's. If your going to hate on Floyd be realistic.'

Its funny how some are so blinded by pacman they are ignorant to the fact that Mayweather's biggest paper view buys are larger than Pacquaio's. Then they say that those #s are because of his opponets but when Pacquaio fights those same opponets his numbers are not as much as Floyd's. If your going to hate on Floyd be realistic.'

If you really believe Mayweather's appeal as a boxer is weak as water, I have to believe that you don't know what you're talking about. If Floyd's appeal was so weak you would'nt even be saying anything about him. He has no concrete plans of even fighting Pacquiao but yet you keep talking about this imaginary bout. That shows you that he has plenty of appeal. Tell me another fighter who is more well known. If you say Pacquiao I'll have to say you don't know what you're talking about again. Mayweather has more major endorsements in the States than any other boxer period. He is the highest profile fighter in boxing. Period. Mayweather does not even need to fight Pacquiao at all to prove he is the best. He is more well known, more skilled and proven, and still undefeated. Fly by night boxing fans think that a brawler is the only exciting fighter to watch, but its funny how most people believe a fighter who has never been defeated and continues to win is the most exciting fighter to watch. Mayweather vs. De la Hoya did more numbers than Pacquiao vs. De la Hoya. Mayweather vs. Hatton did more numbers than Pacquiao vs. Hatton. Who is the more popular fighter? Mayweathers team should ignore Freddy Roach and Team Pacquiao because they don't even need him. Mayweather doesn't need to chase any fight. He is the man and if anyone else wants to become it they have to beat him, Team Pacquiao! Just because Floyd is a black fighter and doesn't have a house full of Mexicans, Filipino's, or white Englishmen chanting his name doesn't mean that they didn't all come to see him. We all know who the best most popular fighter in the world is. Even if most of the world hates him. But, some of us are in denial.

The PPV buys for the Mayweather/JMM fight will tell it all about Mayweather's appeal on PPV. I rest my case. Peace to all!

Who do you think is biggest fighter PPV drawer?, Considering that we are all in crisis at present.

Peplz

Wow! Yeah I'm totaly with u bro. Lil really is the biggest boxing draw in the world. And to prove that here are the facts for mayweather haters:

1) mayweather has commercial with AT&T shown in all televisions in america while pacman will have a NIKE commercial shoot with NBA finals MVP kobe Bryant on july 8th that will be on all nike store in america and will also be shown around the world. At&t (america only), (NIKE around the world) tell them poeple what's bigger.

2) pacmans last fight was sold out in less than a month. Its already been a month and so since the ticket for #1/ numero uno fight (realy its for who's #2) was available and according to several boxing websites that they only sold 2300-3000 ticket sold (that's not even a quarter of the 17000+ capacity of mgm).

3) go to youtube and search both their names and compare who's got more videos. Pacman has 17000 and mayweather has about 10000. Hmmm? I guess pac has more videos.

4) again go to the internet and google both their names and see who's name has been mentionwed more. Writers say that pacman is a gold for writers bcoz ppol will view a lot more times than if u write about any boxer/fighters mayweather and mma included. One of them even put pacmans name in the article bcoz he needed ppol to view his areticle or he will get fired. And give me an article about mayweather with out pacquiao's name on it. and if you will ask me to give you a blog or article about pac with out lil floyds name, ill be more happy to give you atleats a hundred just for the last 7 days.

I can go all day with you bro and 1 thing I'm sure I will never do is to convince u that pac is the main draw and not lil fraud even though 90 percent of the called experts has been saying that pac is the man both in p4p and ppv. SO YEAH I GUESS pbf IS THE CASH COW.

Indeed, PacMan is the more exciting fighter, i.e. for casual fans BUT numbers do no lie. And he has not proven to actually be a bigger PPV draw than Mayweather, as much as people want to make it seem to be the case. Just like Floyd, his biggest fights have been when he was the B-side to Hatton and Oscar. Pac's numbers against Marquez, Morales and Barrera were nothing to write home about. I think Gatti-Mayweather did better than those; but Gatti was the draw there as well. The Mayweather-PacMan fight will happen because people want money, don't y'all worry....and it will be the biggest payday of Pacaquiao's career but, ironically enough, not Mayweather's.

Indeed, PacMan is the more exciting fighter, i.e. for casual fans BUT numbers do no lie. And he has not proven to actually be a bigger PPV draw than Mayweather, as much as people want to make it seem to be the case. Just like Floyd, his biggest fights have been when he was the B-side to Hatton and Oscar. Pac's numbers against Marquez, Morales and Barrera were nothing to write home about. I think Gatti-Mayweather did better than those; but Gatti was the draw there as well. The Mayweather-PacMan fight will happen because people want money, don't y'all worry....and it will be the biggest payday of Pacaquiao's career but, ironically enough, not Mayweather's.

Pac is much bigger than Mayweather. Lets look at numbers. The Philippines has 96 million people and I can easily say 50 million fans in his home country alone. Philippines is in the middle of a civil war but when he fights they sign a cease fire. #1 in Asia. #2 in U.S. after mayweather. Pac has more fans in Mexico, South America, European countries probaly tied. Donald Trump, JayZ, P. Diddy, Jack Nicholson, Denzel Washington came out to support Pac when he delivered an exciting fight vs. Hatton. Jack Nicholson Mr. Lakers! Pac has his own Nike Shoe, nike PacMan logo, and boxing shorts with multi country Nike endorsements. Has fans in the NBA, NFL, MMA. 6th highest paid athelete in the world. Lennox Lewis wrote an article about how Pac is p4p King, Sugar Ray Leonard say Pac is his favorite boxer, Holyfield said Pac is p4p king and not Mayweather. Tyson wanted to join Pacman's team but they took Michael Moorer instead (these are Hall of Famers). Only fighter EVER in history to win 4 linear championships. The only thing Mayweather has is his record 39-0. I recall Hector Macho camacho being 39-0 before his first lost. Pacquiao has been in 50 plus fights toe to toe and still not worn out. 6 championship belts. 0 broken hands 0 broken ribs.

Even if Mayweather produces more PPV sells, Pacman easily outnumbers the draw. In Phillipines they show his fights for free because its a poor 3rd world country with 96 million people. So when I said 50 million people from Philippines watch him, thats a low estimate because everyone and their momma watch him over there. Then take in to account that Pacman is almost as big as Mayweather in his own country without speaking much english. People watching Pacquiao world wide is probaly 2-3 times higher than Mayweather. Pacquiaos fighting style with 4 linear championship wins (Never done before) vs Mayweather counter punching style with 39-0 record (done before).

reply for what commonsense say that majority of Pacman's fans don't pay for ppv. for your information US Filipino's if it come's for what make's us happy we don't tight are belt. We Filipino's work hard and earn GOOD money and pay for tax so you can get your food stamp jerk, by the way i am a RN Supervisor

Last 2 cents. Pac defeated Hall of famers in his own division and fought a better fighter 3 times (Marquez). Then fought Diaz and Hatton who are champions in higher weight classes. Mayweather won't fight Margarito, Cotto, Mosely, Paul Williams, and definitely not Berto. But he wants to make less money fighting a smaller guy 2 weight classes lower in Marquez. Smart tactic but I'm not fooled. Thats why I can't name Mayweather P4P king when he can't even challenge people in his own division. I don't know if he's faking his rib cartilage injury but if true than he will draw 0 PPV sells right now. If false than he doesn't deserve to be P4P king.

Well looks like I've another 2 cents in my pocket! Like pogijoey said, us U.S. Filipinos who make up like 1% of the U.S. population support Pacman who almost matches Mayweather's fans in PPV sells is embarrasing. Pacman barely speaks English yet is almost as big as Mayweather in his own country. Pacman winning over the black, brown and white fans.

1 more fact for u guys.; floyd pays rapper (50 cent) to be in his corner. Rappers & celebrities requests to be on pacmans corner. That should tell u have pac compare to lil floyd.

JayZ, batista, mark walberg ect...

Uno mas FACT for the blind doubters.its true that mayweather had more ppv sales with a common foe compared to pac but its also true that the economy was much more better condition compared to when pac fought hatton and ODLH. Ppol had extra money for anything that's not a neccesity like PPV that's worth $50.

Don't forget that lil floyd didn't get anything from the UK PPV buys when he fought hatton while pac owned %50 of everything plus the %2 from the promoters (%1 each from bob and richie rich) and the $1.2 million from the philippines for the copy right. So pac earned more $$$ than floyd when they fought hatton.

What u want more facts? Ok.
Topic wud b who's more popular.
Pac has been in the 100 most powerful celebritiy in the world (57th), highest paid athlete in the world (both with forbes) ranked 6th along side lebron james, and time magazine had him with presedents of the world, oprah, obama, buisness and media moguls, ect ect as 1 of the 100 most influencial poeple in the world. And just so you know pacman had more votes than our president (who is very very known through out the world) Barrack Obama.

As for mayweather, . . ? ? ?

WAIT!........................................ ok I got nothing.

RayFromTheBay - The last bit was freakin hilarious! ha ha. Luv it!

i would instead say that both PAC and PBF are great fighters. while PBF comes from a country where a large number of boxing greats of all times have come from, PAC on the other hand comes from a country/ continent which has never produced a fighter of the international caliber before.so we all agree with the fact that it was not easy for PBF to reach where he reached considering the environment he was working in.

As for Pac's home country and continent (Asia) followers there is nothing strange about it. as it is only natural that any foreign fighter who has reached an international level would experience the same kind of support from his people. By the way who else would the philipines support if not Pac? I recall the affection all Africans had for the Azumah Nelson is his days. He was the only one and were proud of him as the son of Africa and not someone from Ghana.But for PBF there are so many talented fighters in the US and one has to prove himself before being considered great.

- All PBF haters agree on one fact that he is one of the most talented and highly skilled fighter.
- that his haters base their arguments on one thing hs bravado which is understandable.
- the same haters are the ones who wanted him back so badly during his retirement despite the fact that there are so many so called greats out there.
-two great fighters (De la Hoya and Hattons) have in different ocassions sought the PBF's father technical advice in an attempt to expound the secret behind his son's acheivement.
- that Pac's coach once admitted when criticizing the PBF father that " PBF is a natural born fighter who is equally highly skilled, that his father has taught him nothing".
-Lennox Lewis likened PBF victory against Hatton as being stunning, praising PBF as a martial artist and an excellent fighter. It was in the same fight that Mike Tyson predicted victory for Hatton.

Sorry Calev - Too many exciting fights have come to fruition while Floyd whatshisname took a vacation or something. He's making some noise now (predictably so), however Pac's legacy is secured without him. On the flipside, I definitley won't say no to a PBF/PAC bout.

To put it in simpler terms, or shall I say, in Floyd's words... these fighters have been 'BEATING EACH OTHER' whilst Floyd's been retired.

noted b-b-z,

inIn my opinion it is the fighter’s performance which makes him great and not the PPV.

I agree.

Arum is right and thats all there is to it... I'm a Phony Ribfaker hater for good reason boxing is about fighting the best beating and the best. Get in the ring with Mosley, Williams, Margarito, Cotto etc. win or lose PBF will gain the respect of those haters in some sense... But continue to duck and talk shit as you do well same old tale... and regarding ppv sales you cant even compare the times, so easy to watch online now days compared to when Phony was around... and economy... like lets have commonsense. Anyway like the great "joke" coach Roach (dubbed by another of earths brilliant specimens....) said in an interview when asked is Phony ducking Pac... "Definetly". why?... "because he'll lose".

and pacman is yet to fight mosley, william, margarito or cotto but you dont say a word against him. the desire that the pbf haters have is seeing him beaten period. ad the funniest thing is pbf himself knows that......

and pacman is yet to fight mosley, william, margarito or cotto but you dont say a word against him. the only desire that the pbf haters have is seeing him beaten period. and the funniest thing is the fact that pbf himself knows that......

Pac v. PBF would be one for the books. I think Pac would wear him down for a mid-fight TKO. PBF would look good at first with his slick moves and speed, and his only hope to win would be an early KO.

-ain't gonna happen.

www.fromthecage.com

Pac v. PBF would be one for the books. I think Pac would wear him down for a mid-fight TKO. PBF would look good at first with his slick moves and speed, and his only hope to win would be an early KO.

-ain't gonna happen.

www.fromthecage.com

check out www.Ringside-News.com for the latest...

Mayweather wanting the lions share is ridiculous. Mayweather needs a De La Hoya or a Hatton to sell tickets, Those events were sold out mainly because of his opponent. De La Hoya could fight my grandmother and sell out an arena! Its been proven, Hatton can do the same, Mayweather would not draw a thirsty man to water. If my memory serves my right, he couldn't even sell out in his own home town Grand Rapids when he defended there a while back..

Dear Calev,
Youre right I do want him to lose... and as far as Pac has not Yet fought those Welterweights... I believe he is fighting Cotto in November... and the point is Pac fights anyone (bigger fighters/his own size) put in front of him (Bob Arums choices). Mayweather chooses his fights carefully. But your right has not yet fought those names... the time will come.. I dont know about Williams though slightly too big i think. But dont worry I wont say anything about Floyd fighting smaller guys...I just want to see him fight the best so the fans get what they want.

Oh and we all know PBF loves the fact the haters just want to see him lose clever marketing... thats about it though.

I can't wait for Cotto to Knock Pacman the f*** out so we can all just forget about that little dog eater.

Did someone say that Pacquiao is a bigger name than Floyd because
of an endorsement that has yet to materialise? Nike is huge. But I haven't seen
one commercial on Pacquiao yet. And, everyone with the idea that Hatton and De la
Hoya sold the fights against Mayweather are repeating the same old B.S. played out mantra.
If they sold those fights why is it that they have not done it before or again? Why do they need Floyd to
have the biggest pay days in their careers? And, the economy was bad when Floyd fought both Hatton and De La Hoya, and the internet was doing the same thing it does today.
So please miss me with the B.S. excuses. I take nothing from Pac. He is a great fighter with an
amazing will. But if he had such trouble with a good but relatively slow counter puncher in
Juan Manuel Marquez, how on earth is he going to solve the puzzle of the clever, lightning quick, clinching, forearm/elbow throwing, counter punching whiz kid in Floyd Mayweather Jr. ? He's going to get his ass knocked out just like Hatton.

Pacquiao should limit his fight only to those who hold championship belts, i.e. Cotto and Mosley.

Mayweather should prove he can still make money in his Marquez fight.

Oversea Filipinos pay for PPV and have more money than Mayweather fans.

I think that some people are going to be saddened when Cotto takes Pac-Man apart. A lot of people are sleeping on Cotto and it's a big mistake. Cottos only loss was to a great big 6'1 Margarito with loaded gloves, and that in 11 rounds. Don't forget that Cotto also beat Mosley. IMO, Cotto beats Pac-Man. Hear me now, believe me later.

I agree, Cotto will be a long tough fight for Pacman. Hey may get the best of him with his speed and angles, but the size will take its effect on him and he had better be in top shape.

www.Ringside-News.com

Dear D.Lopez,

I can understand your frustration with Pac knocking all your amigos out...They don't call him the mexicutioner for nothing.. So now you're counting on Cotto (which is an excellent fighter and does have a really good chance to beat Pac) who is probably one of the last latino's standing.

Didn't it suck to pay for ppv to see all your guys get knocked the f*** out? I'm sure it did.

Sorry, but this little dog eater can put up a fight!!

I'm sorry, let me rephrase that.. Didn't it suck to pay for ppv to see most of your guys get knocked the f*** out? I forgot DLH just got effd up which mayweather didn't do to him.

Pac vs PBF would be nice, but are we not jumping the gun assuming that Pac gets by Cotto?

PBF still has to prove that his fight with Marquez can make money. He is a good dancer. He should be dancing with the stars. He is postponing the fight because tickets sales are low. Why not postpone it further to November, exactly the same date of Pacquiao and Cotto? And you will see which fight makes more money.

A fight with a good dancer is boring, waste of money. It's not a fight, just a dance show.

aw now its about race again? come on guys. its just boxing.

and manny come on man dont run for office boxing's your game man fight pbf, jmm, mosley, an klitschko

Peplz

Oh yeah right bro I'm sorry, the economy didn't go down just late 2008 it went down when floyd fought hatton and oskie. And besides that ur come back wud be; oh wait let me guess.

THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE RIGHT!!!!

Wow that's very original (I've heard it so much its been mentioned more than my own name in my whole life). Talk about REAPITING THE SAME OLD BS ! ! !

And pls. Pls pls read my comments again coz I clearly said that the NIKE commercial will be shoot on JULY 8TH (july comes after june and as far as I know its still june). That's why you and everybody else haven't seen it yet. I think PBF is so far up ur ass you confuses the times.

Floyd sets a trashy example for young fightes while Manny is an exellent role model.

Ray from the Bay.
First of all, everybody from the Bay Area knows that saying you're
from the Bay is just code for saying you're not from San Francisco,
Oakland, Berkeley, or Richmond. Basically, you're from the Sub-
urbs. So we know why you hate Mayweather.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way. To anyone that is actually pay-
attention, the economy has been poor for half of the time your boy
W. was President. And, definitely before the end of 08' (aka when
you started paying attention to politics).
Dude, I don't need to read your comments again to know that you
have absolutely no point. You can't give Pacquiao star credit for a com-
mercial that has yet to air(or be shot for that matter). So why don't you go back and read
my comments. I think maybe you're so far up your own arse that
your reading is as poor as your spelling.

Why did you guys take my last comment down? Did I break the rules or something?

Disregard that. It reappeared.

Peplz

Agree about the time when the economy actually is down but ppol didn't know that til just last septembere or maybe a lil b4 that. So pplo didn't really care about spending there money to buy floyd fights coz they didn't know. Sorry bout my spelling coz I'm using phone. But am I right that no matter how many facts I give that will justify my claim that pacman is the cash cow, that I wouldn't change your mind. Sorry for the insult. Give me facts that will make me believe what you're saying.

DEBATE I love it.

I'm RIGHT UNTIL PROVEN WRONG.

Peplz

What in particular did you want me to go back to (your comment).

Pelpz

What other facts do you have to convince me that floyd is the cash cow except "THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE"? I have more to give you just ask for it.

Ppelz

There is no doubt that mayweather is the most skilled boxer today. But ppol are disappointed in him coz he talks way too much $#iT and not back it up! The 0 on his record don't mean a thing to most (if not all) boxing fanatics. I can go 100-0 right now fighting lesser guys or good to great guys but definatly smaller fighters, or may be a has been but it won't make me a great fighter unless for those who are being fooled by hype. I don't hate floyd style "hit and not be hit". Ppol think its boring and I to think the same but it doest change the fact that he still get the job done which is great. If he would only fight great fighters that has a chance of beating him, guys his size and in their prime then I wouldn't doubt him no more. But as of right now he's an over hyped, untested clown with great boxing skills.

Oh okay,
I thought you were going to come back at me with some smack
talk. I was ready. But since, you are somewhat sensible you're
forcing me to change my tone. Sucks. Well first of all, I don't think
Mayweather is "The Cash Cow". But, I do believe that there is some
what of a conspiracy masterminded by Bob "The Crook" Arum to de-
grade the accomplishments of Floyd Mayweather and to downplay
his popularity. This is all about revenge for Mr. Arum. He is so short
sighted that he would rather get revenge than do good business. Floyd
didn't want to be his slave anymore so he bought out his contract
and Arum hates him for it. Arum has lots of influence in the boxing
world and he wields it. And, I think that you are confusing me with
someone else when you refer to this "The Numbers Don't Lie" com-
ment because I never said that. Its just that there are alot of lies and
assumptions out there about Floyd Mayweather. I think Floyd is a
little bit more well known than Manny Pacquiao and more people con-
sider Floyd to be the best. These are not facts. Just my opinion. But, I
can back it up by saying that all the best fighters in proximity to his div-
ision want a shot at Mayweather. They want Pacquiao too. Now, at least. But, Pac
does'nt want them. He wants Mayweather. Holla...

... and Mayweather doesn't want Manny... quote from FM: ' Manny needs me. I dont need him'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrZ5WHesTXk&feature=related

Now whether he's posturing or not, ppl will still interpret that as being vintage Mayweather cowardice.

Peplz

Lol. Trust me buddy it was very tempting to get back at you. I just think that debating is more fun without the insults.

Back to the topic. 1st off, I think ppol know how popular floyd is its just that they don't wanna admitt it coz they hate him. I think here in the states he's almost as popular compare to the pacman (if not as popular), but in when you talk about popularity through out the world I think it is safe to say that pac is in a different league compare to floyd. I think that if pac decides to continue fighting for the next 2-4 years that he will be as big as ODLH or a mike tyson (considering he wins most of his fights).

My bad if I confuse with some1 else. its just that its the only thing that maywether and his fans say when they argue about who,s the bigger draw. When it comes to who's p4p; it is safe to assume that atleast 85% of the critics, websites, writers, and the hard core fans (its the only fan vote that counts) says that the pacman is on top right now and they back it up too. Mayweather just can't be the best right now coz he was out for almost 2yrs, so scratch that. But if he dominates marquez (I doubt it) on sept 19 then you can make an argument that he is p4p best.

A lot more fighters are wanting to fight pacquiao than floyd. Darchinyan wants to fight pacman, not bcoz he thinks he can win but he said that it would be a great honor to be in the same ring as manny. Most if not all boxers that have called mayweather out has also wished to fight pacman. Ill give you names that wanna fight pacquiao that I remeber reading about or seen in youtube:

MOSLEY
MARGARITO
BRADLEY
CAMPBELL
VALERO
DARCHINYAN
MARQUEZ
ROBERT "THE GHOST " GUERRERO
JUAN DIAZ
SOTTO
JULIO CEAZAR CHAVEZ JR.
VICTOR ORTIZ
KATSIDIS

Now these are the only guys that had spoken. I'm sure ders a lot more. You can't say the same thing about floyd for maybe hust half of the fighters mentioned called him out. To say that pac doesn't want most of these guys are true but you can say the same thing about floyd for most of this guys don't draw to well. Besides they are both done fighting for recognition. They both deserves a mega fights (none bigger than fighting each other). And don't worry about that being not made. The $$$ that that fight would generate is just too much. Both money and manny and every body invole knows that. Dan Rafeal from ESPN said that "it would easily generate 2million buys".

Check this out peplz. This is a proof that the NIKE shoot is legit.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/30/09/%E2%80%98floyd-might-kick-my-butt%E2%80%99-pacquiao-jokes

Check this out peplz. This is a proof that the NIKE shoot is legit.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/30/09/%E2%80%98floyd-might-kick-my-butt%E2%80%99-pacquiao-jokes

Ray,
I didn't say that I didn't believe you. Its just until the ad campaign is aired on television Pacquiao cannot reap the benefits of this endorsement.
Okay, those guys would prefer a fight with Pacquiao. Most of those guys you named are not top names. And, we all know that most of them think that Pacquiao is the easier fighter to defeat. And, Mayweather being out for 2 years doesn't mean anything until we see his next fight. If he doesn't do a good job in the ring against Marquez I will eat my crow and deservedly so. But, if he dominates Marquez, like I believe that he will, then all of this talk about Pacquiao being the P4P best can rightfully cease.
And, Holyfield has taken one too many blows to the head, because he has it backwards. Pacquiao and Freddie Roach both know that Pacquiao cannot claim the title of P4P champ until he does what no one else has ever done before and defeat the true P4P champ Floyd Mayweather Jr.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/30/09/%E2%80%98floyd-might-kick-my-butt%E2%80%99-pacquiao-jokesPeplz

Ok. So give a name that called out mayweather that didn't call out manny pacquaio.

I don't know about pac being the easier fight to defeat. I think he will be a harder fight for any1 compared to floyd. Pac has so much confidense and momentum right now. And under stemating pac has been the biggest reason of him exceeding the high expectations fight fans give him. ODLH wanted to atleast be as low (weight) as he can so he can be as fast as possible, diaz under stimated pac's speed and that just happed to be the main cuase of his defeat, and hatton under estimated his punching power and strength, again pac was stronger the he thought pac would be.

about the talk about pacquiao being the best p4p wills cease if floyd dominates on sept 19, I think the talk of who really is the p4p king will only be hotter than ever for you now make a case for both fighters. Don't forget that pac dominated (and I mean really dominates) bothe oscar and hatton who's floyd fought and a harder fight with. Also don't forget that pac fought hatton in the weight where hatton was the king and not an average welterweight and marquez too at his most comfortable weight. I had to give floyd oscar though. Even though he's fight with was a whole lot closer then the nightmare match.

Its not only holyfield that thinks that pac is the p4p right now. So you can't imply that he has some kind of a brain damage and doesn't know what he is talking about coz most ppol think the same.

Both fighters are big draws and for this fight...i don't believe either is bigger than the other...the main reason is that this is the fight everyone wants to see, so people will tune in to watch both fighters...True, floyd did more numbers than Manny in his fights with DLH and Hatton, but Manny is the bigger superstar...given that he has an entire country that loves and supports him, he takes on the biggest challenges, he is very personable guy, big on religion and family, his accomplishments in the ring only solidify his stardom...On the otherhand, Floyd is the better fighter...39-0...according to my history there are only two other fighters with the goose egg in the loss column...Rocky Marciano and Joe Calzaghe...floyd is not the most personalbe guy, he talks alot of trash and has apparent family drama, but most of that is for entertainment and boxing sales...he understands his role as the villian and he plays it well...people also try to knock floyd as says he ducks people but his record shows he has fought the best...his victories at welterweight were against proven champions...shambra mitchell, former welter champ...auturo gatti, proven ring warrior and champion, carlos baldomir, former welter champ and the biggest opponent floyd ever faced, it was his firtst fight at 154 and he dominated...zab judah, former welter champ and was supposed to be the guy to match floyds hand speed...Oscar, boxings most loved star...and ricky hatton...Now, name one cherrypicked opponent on the list...people always bring up cotto, margarito, and shane...but neither of these guys wanted to call him out...now i do agree, floyd does not have to chase manny because he doesn't need manny to solidify his career, i think manny does however...but floyd is interested in this fight because this is the biggest money fight ever...i cant imagine what this will do in PPV buys of course the mgm will be sold out...and regardless of what arum says, he knows this will be money in the bank...all the shenanigans is for the hype...i don't even think weight will be an issue because manny won't let that from stopping him...i think he will come up to 147 because there is no way floyd will accept a catch weight...the purse split will be 50/50 i think both fighter deserve that, but mayweather will make more for the fight because he his is own boss of Mayweather promotions...Mayweather/Manny for the best P4P title early March 2010...unless of course manny looses to Cotto...if that happens...cotto will take his place to fight floyd....which won't be bad, because this is the fight everyone wanted to see when cotto was still undefeated and rising to stardom...that fight could have already happened too but again, arum was in the way, protecting cotto...he didnt want his biggest top rank star to loose to soon...along with cotto being scared to call floyd out

Shambra, gatti, baldomir... hmmm.

Anyway - 'too scared to call Floyd out'... It's quite pointless, when Floyds nature is to conjure reasons why someone is too green, not a big enough draw, too many losses, expressing ridiculous demands, etc. Or the fact he called fighters early on in their career, so he'll reject a potential fight with them in the near future.

Having 0 loss don't make you a better fighter.
And a handful have achieved it in there career:

1. Rocky Marciano
2. Jimmy Barry
3. Young Mitchell
4. Jack McAuliffe
5. Laszlo Papp
6. Ji Won Kim
7.Terry marsh.
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Sven Ottke
10. Joe Calzaghe

dear b-b-z

some guys in your list are considered the greatest of all times for the same reason. rock marciano to start with.

I understand that. And there are some who won't be found on an 'All time greatest' list. My point was to show there are more than a couple who have achieved undefeated records.

Sorry Calev, I should've mentioned I was responding to a point in 'World premiere's' blog.

post.

Pac is shooting movie with WWE's Bautista and co star is Nicole the lead pussycat doll. 3 Filipinos bringing that adobo flavor to the movie screen.

world premeire

Floyd fought former champs...not a current champs
no disrespect to Marquez and his fans
Marquez way too small...it will be a split decision not a knock out
against floyd...Floyd hype is way down since Pacman became
P4P king....nonboxing and boxing fan now are watching more exciting
fight when Pacman fights. Compared with NBA kobe is great but when M.
Jordan play before the fans went nuts all over the world.. Thats the same
level where Pacman is at now...prove me wrong otherwise...PPV and tikets
sale for Floyd vs Marquez fight is way down...it started out $400-12000
now its $300+- $9000+ ...with poss.upgrade....Floyd needs to beat Pacman
to gain respect from the fans again...as to commercial Floyd vs Pacman..
i,ve seen Floyd promoting to sale shirt and CD,s in youtube...currently
not with ATT....while Pacman with NIKE...his shoes is worth $1700 in ebay

world premeire

Floyd fought former champs...not a current champs
no disrespect to Marquez and his fans
Marquez way too small...it will be a split decision not a knock out
against floyd...Floyd hype is way down since Pacman became
P4P king....nonboxing and boxing fan now are watching more exciting
fight when Pacman fights. Compared with NBA kobe is great but when M.
Jordan play before the fans went nuts all over the world.. Thats the same
level where Pacman is at now...prove me wrong otherwise...PPV and tikets
sale for Floyd vs Marquez fight is way down...it started out $400-12000
now its $300+- $9000+ ...with poss.upgrade....Floyd needs to beat Pacman
to gain respect from the fans again...as to commercial Floyd vs Pacman..
i,ve seen Floyd promoting to sale shirt and CD,s in youtube...currently
not with ATT....while Pacman with NIKE...his shoes is worth $1700 in ebay

I think that before we talk about pacquiao/mayweather we should first see what happens with the fights that are going to have next. for 1 I really believe that cotto's going to beat pacquiao and that if mayweather's heart isn't in boxing anymore then he's making a huge mistake coming back even if he needs money. he's going to be fighting hungry and worthy opponents from here on out who have been busy fighting while he's been retired.He should beat marquez because i don't think that marquez can hurt him but after that i see him getting beat and bad.i'm telling you guys he's going to end up just like roy jones jr. Bob Arum hit right on the screws mayweather does not fight anyone who he feels would beat him he hand picks his opponents and he would know best because he used to promote him. So stay tuned cause sooner or later he's going to get his. and another thing if he's so much of a ppv attraction then why is the fight with marquez struggling in sales listen stop making excuses for him call it for what it is he's a coward but he has no choice but to man up now because people are not going to pay to watch him fight hand picked opponents ala marquez he's going to have to get in there with the big dogs one things for sure its going to be fun to see,and yes boxing does need his circus.

It is too early to talk about floyd vs pac. Simple they both have very tough challenges ahead of them, now floyd needs pac but what he needs from him is advice on how to deal with a hunter with a big heart, not to take floyd's lighting speed and great skills from him, but this is not gonna b a walk in the park...for either of them, pac got his hands full against cotto, a boxer that just needs to prepare seriously for the greatest challenge ever(not that mosely and judah werent ) he's got a pretty good chance to come out victorious. And I hope he does. For the record Cotto is puertorican and they are pretty much @ war with mex. Boxers so when manny defeated the mex boxers you bet they got there money's worth, so floyd can talk the talk now we r really gonna see if he can walk the walk, as for popularity who cares this is not about who can sell more tkts. Or ppv (unless you are arum or any boxing promoter which I hate) this is about not just believing you are the best but proving it in the ring, being a gladiator a true man. If cotto was afraid of floyd why he is not from a paquiao on the rise? That could totally ruin his carrer with a loss, anyway they are all great fighters and as a boxing fan I really hope to see these guys against each other,forget the money for us fans is about boxing quality match ups! So bring'em on!

I do not think people should even talk about Floyd fighting a smaller guy in Marquez. What is the diff in their true walk around weight? I bet it is dead even as floyd always weighs about 150ish....

How many heavyweights fight guys who outweigh them by 20-30 lbs? It happens all the time and the small guy can win. Smokin Joe did it time and time again and countless others.

Who cares who's more popular

Pac cant beat May, he's not a better fighter than May, or wont be ranked higher than May when their careers are over

Pac gotta get through Cotto first. And if he dont, then this May vs. Pac crap will cease. Then everybody would stop talking about Pac and jump on Cotto bandwagon, and ask for him to fight Floyd cause yall think he will win. Its ridiculous

And please stop with the smaller opponents crap. Pac is smaller but I dont see nobody mentioning that

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. His meager corporation was probably dissolved by Obama's economic reforms LMAO.

You Negroes and black populists forget that Mayweather has an extreme fear of defeat. That's why he didn't want to fight Pacquiao cold out of retirement, you negroes might say he "can whoop that ass any day", but his act of going for a bout with Marquez on the day of Pacquiao-Hatton shows he himself acknowledges the risk of defeat if fighting Pacquiao when not on his A game. And what the fucking bullshit, stop implying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, I will put a .357 in your brain, a legend fights the best at all times and is indiscriminate with his opponents. Mayweather is far from that, he took a fight with a smaller Marquez instead of going for a natural Welterweight and welterweight champion in Mosley (who by the way would get him more money if they fought)

That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. His meager corporation was probably dissolved by Obama's economic reforms LMAO.

You Negroes and black populists forget that Mayweather has an extreme fear of defeat. That's why he didn't want to fight Pacquiao cold out of retirement, you negroes might say he "can whoop that ass any day", but his act of going for a bout with Marquez on the day of Pacquiao-Hatton shows he himself acknowledges the risk of defeat if fighting Pacquiao when not on his A game. And what the fucking bullshit, stop implying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, I will put a .357 in your brain, a legend fights the best at all times and is indiscriminate with his opponents. Mayweather is far from that, he took a fight with a smaller Marquez instead of going for a natural Welterweight and welterweight champion in Mosley (who by the way would get him more money if they fought)

That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. His meager corporation was probably dissolved by Obama's economic reforms LMAO.

You Negroes and black populists forget that Mayweather has an extreme fear of defeat. That's why he didn't want to fight Pacquiao cold out of retirement, you negroes might say he "can whoop that ass any day", but his act of going for a bout with Marquez on the day of Pacquiao-Hatton shows he himself acknowledges the risk of defeat if fighting Pacquiao when not on his A game. And what the fucking bullshit, stop implying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, I will put a .357 in your brain, a legend fights the best at all times and is indiscriminate with his opponents. Mayweather is far from that, he took a fight with a smaller Marquez instead of going for a natural Welterweight and welterweight champion in Mosley (who by the way would get him more money if they fought)

That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. His meager corporation was probably dissolved by Obama's economic reforms LMAO.

You Negroes and black populists forget that Mayweather has an extreme fear of defeat. That's why he didn't want to fight Pacquiao cold out of retirement, you negroes might say he "can whoop that ass any day", but his act of going for a bout with Marquez on the day of Pacquiao-Hatton shows he himself acknowledges the risk of defeat if fighting Pacquiao when not on his A game. And what the fucking bullshit, stop implying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, I will put a .357 in your brain, a legend fights the best at all times and is indiscriminate with his opponents. Mayweather is far from that, he took a fight with a smaller Marquez instead of going for a natural Welterweight and welterweight champion in Mosley (who by the way would get him more money if they fought)

That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

All bullshit, the only reason Mayweather came back is because he owes the IRS $6 million. He doesn't want to get back in the turbulence of boxing, but he has to. Thats probably what he gets for buying $500,000 chains and jeans. His meager corporation was probably dissolved by Obama's economic reforms LMAO.

You Negroes and black populists forget that Mayweather has an extreme fear of defeat. That's why he didn't want to fight Pacquiao cold out of retirement, you negroes might say he "can whoop that ass any day", but his act of going for a bout with Marquez on the day of Pacquiao-Hatton shows he himself acknowledges the risk of defeat if fighting Pacquiao when not on his A game. And what the fucking bullshit, stop implying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, I will put a .357 in your brain, a legend fights the best at all times and is indiscriminate with his opponents. Mayweather is far from that, he took a fight with a smaller Marquez instead of going for a natural Welterweight and welterweight champion in Mosley (who by the way would get him more money if they fought)

That guy who said that PBF has more endorsements than Pac, you're wrong, Floyd only has that Verizon one, while Pac has Nike "no fear" which pays more, McDonalds, and a number of others in the Philippines.

I personally think that both fighters should focus on the fights that lies ahead. Sometimes we as sports fans count our eggs before they hatch. Honestly, how could u predict a win for either fighter? Both is fast, both have won fights which they were contested to the extreme, both has reached their goals of becoming a champion, come on lets be real. Now on the other hand one fighter being underfeated says alot but does it says he's the greater fighter, certainly it does not but i would amangine that it gives Pretty Boy a great deal of confidence. Lets descuss what this event would do for the world being that its a fight which two entirely different cultures stand in battle two defend their tittle and repersent their respected countries. At a time like this it would mean peace and love between two countries that have their differences, its a fight that will definitly play a role in our history, boxing at its greatest. Win are lose, for each fighter in a gut ranching symbolic thriller in manilla will one day look back in be proud that they was a main conjunction of change. I can only hope to be one amongst the living to witness such a historical event reguardless of the physical winner, in my eyes they would both win

Did you guys see the ebay auction of Floyds outfit (Trunks, Robe and Shoes) that he wore when he fought zab judah they have all his stuff how did that happen

Can't they make it 70/30 split: 70 for the winner, 30 for the loser. 50/50 in case of a draw. It is supposed to be a competition of who is better, not who is more popular.

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