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Passing on Peca



Not long ago, I endorsed the chase for Peca, figuring the risk on a one-year, cap-friendly deal, was low, even if he was past his prime.

But I wasn't privy to the results of his interview---or his physical. Maybe the pins and plates in his repaired leg gave the Rangers brass some pause. Would Peca be able to maintain a performance level that the Rangers sought? And why didn't more teams (Leafs) want Peca?

Maybe the Rangers really wanted to keep the $1-million-plus for another move.
A strong defenseman, a backup goaltender, or simply wiggle room? Or as the team says, to give some youngsters a shot to stick. Probably a combination of the above.

If you were a reader here last season, I pushed for the Rangers to trade for a stop-gap thrd line center last season: Smolinski, for example.

Instead, in the offseason, the Rangers traded Cullen---and he did, according to several sources, make it known that he wouldn't protest being moved---and now are in the hunt again for one.

Maybe they'll seek to fill that gap at the trade deadline this time around...

Unless there's a surprise lurking somewhere....

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its amazing how there are no responses to zipays report.......all the rag fans are at the isles blog.......goes to show wut type of losers ranger fans are but then again is that a surprise?

I'd like to see Dubinski get a real shot . I'd also like to see Byers and Liffiton get a real shot too.... this way we can move the stiff Malik...Byers can do what Hollweg does only better and he can score.

i swear if i see blair betts playing the third line i will go nuts. if they chose not sign peca then it better be for a kid and not a guy like betts. i wanted peca and a move like this could be the diff in a game 7

"Unless there's a surprise lurking somewhere...." I wonder what Zipay knows...

also could move Straka or Avery over if no kid wows them early on. or at trade deadline I do think they'll pull the trigger on a rental 3rd center and pay a hefty price of a number 1 pick (in a deep draft)+ other young assets.

I think it's better that we didn't sign him. Going after old free agents has hurt us in the past and I'm glad we are starting to move away from that. Let's see who impresses the coaches at camp and earns the spot.

Nothing could make this day any brighter for me. Peca was a waste of time and energy. Looks like the team knew that too.

I think it means there is a chance Artem Anisimov is coming this season.

Pay attention to the Canada-Russia junior super series starting next week to how both Anisimov and Cherepanov do.

Here's the schedule:

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/hockey/superseries_sked.php

Hey fellas,
As a diehard Islanders fan I was surprised that the Rangers were going after Peca. He is NOT the same player he was in his only good season with the Islanders (2001-2002). In my opinion, even though you are short at the 3rd line Center position I think you are better off letting the young guys battle this out. This could always be addressed during the season via trade. Peca will more then likely only be hurt by the time Christmas roles around....

I'm a little bummed they didn't sign Peca, but now hopefully one of the prospects will get a chance. I agree Dubinsky is a promising player. I liked what I saw out of him in the few games he was up last year. Perhaps now they'll bring in the young guns and try and get another decent defender hiding out there. We shall see.

All in all, I'm still stoked for this season and the roster thus far.

I think most of us are think the same way. Peca isn't anything like he was a 2 yrs ago in Edmonton. Might as well put him down like a horse with that Columbus deal.
He won't play more than 40 games.

Don't Callahan and Dubinsky have serious ice time together in Harford. Or am I getting Callahan and Dawes mixed up?

Callahan and Dubinsky had a lot of ice time together last year.

In the playoffs for Hartford, Dawes and Bourret played together all the time and were fantastic.

Peca was interesting . . . But in the end I'm happy the Brass is sticking with the core developmental strategy of getting YOUNGER. Our "In the System" guys deserve a chance . . . Dawes, Byers, Anisimov, Dubinski, Duponte, Cherepanov, or Ryan . . . Would love to see if Montoya can PUSH Lundquist with some competition and perhaps take some of the load to keep him fresher.

I m just glad we can all stop talking about Peca, whew! Hope Dubinsky makes the team and can be the 3rd line Center.

Prucha-Drury-Jager
Shanahan-Gomez- Straka
Avery-Anisimov-Callahan
Dawes/Orr-Betts/Dubinski-Hollweg/Hossa

First, let's recognize someone on this blog for being mature. Mike, it is very refreshing to see an Islander fan come on here and just talk hockey, so thanks. All too often these blogs get cluttered with all the b.s. between fans and the hockey talk is lost.

I think letting Peca walk is the right move. Let Dubinsky and Anisimov battle it out and if they aren't ready then try something different (Straka or trade). Betts should stay on the 4th and the PK, he's NOT a 3rd liner (which was proved early last season).

im an islander fan, and to tell you the truth its sickening all the things that go on in the islanders blog.... i think ill come here for people who just want to talk hockey instead of the constant non-sensical bashing of eachothers teams. right on mike, after that hit in the playoffs peca has never really been the same and is about as injury prone as carl pavano.....

Game 1 Oct 4th

Prucha- Gomez- Jagr
Straka- Drury- Shanny
Avery- Dubinsky- Callahan
Hossa- Betts- Orr


Rozy -Malik
Staal -Tyutin
Giriadi -Pock

I'm glad that they are going to let the kids fight it out for Ice time. Keep the youth coming.

Seems like it was a good move to not take on Peca. Lets face it, he ended up going to Columbus. A veteran like Peca going to a non contending team (unless they are better than I am aware of) seems he was hoping for a contract. I haven't had the chance to look over the available UFA's but I know there are still quite a few players available. Teams need to give the young players a chance to play or they will never develop.

"Hey fellas,
As a diehard Islanders fan I was surprised that the Rangers were going after Peca...Peca will more then likely only be hurt by the time Christmas roles around...."

I haven't posted since I got upset a couple weeks ago about the preshcool foolishness that was going on here. I did however check back once and a while to see if any intelligent fans had decided to return. Since we finally got a couple here that want to talk hockey I had to post (There were a few posts in there by a couple imposters trying to say they were me, my last post was the "jackass festival" one)...
Mike, it's a breath of fresh air to see an Islander fan that knows what he is talking about and doesn't just come in and talk schnit. Stick around. Those of us that are real fans realize that you are a real fan too and welcome the discussion. The fans that come in and just talk smack are upset that their team has been in the basement for a great while now, and don't realize that every dog has it's day and the Isles will have good years and bad years, and maybe even be a great team in some seasons, and that there will again be stretches of terrible play at the garden. I think the years of dynasties are over. My opinon is that Pitt has the only real shot at a dynasty (in the current league) but it won't last long. When Sid, Malkin and Co realize that Pitt can't afford more than one, possibly two of the leagues premier players they will take off for more money elsewhere.

"Don't Callahan and Dubinsky have serious ice time together in Harford. Or am I getting Callahan and Dawes mixed up?"

Not sure how much Callahan played last season in Hartford, maybe at the beginning of the season but I think he came on board with the big club somewhere towards the middle to end of the season, and he played like I drive...like its stolen. He'll make the club.

Callahan scored 35 goals in 60 games last year for Hartford.

Careful about putting too much stock in goal scoring in the "A"...Don Biggs is the "A"'s all time leading scorer and he never sniffed the NHL. I do however, think Callahan will be a good player. He's got spunk.

i would take bourett up in a hearbeat, allegedly he had an insane playoff series in the AHL.

Well, if a guy scores 35 goals in 60 games in the AHL and then comes up to the NHL plays very well, I think it means something.

Both Nigel Dawes and Alex Bourret had 11 points each in 7 playoff games for Hartford.

Why do you continue to see Prucha as a first line winger. The first line will be Drury Jags and Hossa. Hossa proved he has the power forward ability to keep Jags from having to chase puck into corners. Hossa does the Ken Hodge duty for Jags, he gets the puck and wins the battles in the corners. Prucha is not this type of player and can not constantly dig the puck out for Jags. Prucha is a much better fit for the 4th line and certainly needs some PP time. He may fill in from 2nd to 4th line and when everyone is healthy he will be a regular 4th liner. Dubinsky is ready and will battle with Betts to win the 3rd line center, either way the Rangers will be strong up the middle. Dubinsky played very well down the stretch and showed great speed and grit. He is the real deal.

I think that Gomez will be centering Jagr. Since Straka and Jagr have good chemistry, I think he'll be the other winger.

Who knows what Renney is gonna do

Hmmm let's see...Career wise...

Hossa: 187 Games, 30G, 23A, 53PTS, 10.79SH%

Prucha: 147 Games, 52G, 35A, 87PTS, 19.55SH%

Now maybe you should re-evaluate who is a 4th line player and who is a top line player.

Lots of talk about line combinations.

None of us know what will happen and even after the lines are set, Renney will probably chance them a thousand times.

Gomez is centering Jagr hands down. They play the same style of hockey.

Re: Petr Prucha. He led all NHL players receiving 13 minutes or less playing time in goals last year. He has "the hands", plus he's like Tomas Sandstrom was: "he takes a licking & keeps on ticking". He has to weigh no more than 175 lbs & is fearless around the net. Tom Renney needs to find more minutes for him. How about on the 2nd like with Shanahan & Drury, or the 3rd with Callahan & Dubinsky?

Bomber
Heed my warning on Prucha...deal him now, while he has value. The guy will shatter in a million pieces sooner than later.

Gord - the Rangers traded Zubov because of that very fear and got Samuelsson (who had very little left in him) + an overrated Luc Robittaille (sp?). So they can't operate out of that sort of fear.

Joe
Big dumb trade, I agree, but more about capturing some Penguins success than giving up on a weak prospect. Although offensive, Zubov is a pretty solid 200 lbs...Prucha is 175 with rocks in his pockets. He makes his living camping out at the side of the net...can't do that for long with that size.

everyone,
we can all speculate what the lines will be but remember it comes down to chemistry at the end of the day. remember the pre Jags era we always looked good on paper but never had good chemistry eg: Messier and Nedved who didnt like each other so it showed on the ice. we have a sick team but we need the chemistry to fit right.
-Jon

Prucha
read this:
http://www.outsidethegarden.com/articles/story.asp?id=416

it's all in the math.

Willy
It would be great if he could play a whole season but I'm telling you, at his size he will break down. Also, remember he gets many of his goals on rebounds around the net where you take a pounding. That's also why his shooting percentage is so high.

Slick Willy,

Thanks for the link, great article. It points out something I wasn't exactly sure on as far as cap numbers but tried to explain in prior posts. And that is the money that will be freed up with the retirements of Straka and Shanny and maybe even Jagr. Combine those salaries with the trade/ move or dismissal of Kasper and that is an additional $13 million or so. I can't even begin to think about how exciting it would be to see Heatley in a Ranger Uni!!!!!!

Gord,

I understand your points about Prucha's size and style of play. But a lot of people said the same thing about Luc Robitaille (sp?) who was just as slim and A LOT SLOWER, and he had a pretty decent career I would say. It's interesting to imagine Prucha blooming into a top line talent, but I think the arrival of Cherapanov and the upcoming UFA's (Heatley & Hossa) might dictate where Prucha ends up.

Good topic for debate though!!!

Gord,
Prucha is small. But you’re underestimating him. I would just like to point something out about Prucha.
Watch Prucha on the PP. He does sit at the left post looking for the rebounds. Nothing wrong with that, it's working. But, watch him with the puck down low in these same situations. He's very quick to see the play develop in front of him, with the little time defensemen give him. What's nice about his skill in these situations his ability to draw the play towards him, and send the puck in opposite direction. Not the greatest passes in the world though. But this has lead to some very pretty goals. I tried to find a link on youtube to back this up, but couldn't. Maybe you guys could look around too.
What I also like about him is that no matter how hard he’s hit, he gets up and hits back. Sometimes he gets up and scores goals. The point being, he gets up.
Ok, he shouldn’t play the 2-1-2. He gets creamed carrying over the blue-line when the defense is in position.
Whoever that guy is a outsidethegarden, he makes some pretty good points about his ice time and production.

Slick

Hopefully, Tom Renney does not scratch Prucha from the lineup in favor of Colton Orr like he did a few times last season.


Waxmen, outsidethegarden.com

He can play the whole season, but the coach won't let him.

Prucha's been in the league 2 years and hasn't broken yet (except for the knee injury his rookie year, and anyone would have gotten the same injury having gotten hit like that).

Prucha isn't the smallest guy in the league. Gionta and St. Louis are both small.

Anyone who's saying to get rid of him because he's peaked and will get hurt is a moron. By that thinking Gionta and St. Louis should be traded, too.

"It would be great if he could play a whole season but I'm telling you, at his size he will break down. Also, remember he gets many of his goals on rebounds around the net where you take a pounding. That's also why his shooting percentage is so high"

That is absolutely incorrect. This has got to be from someone who doesn't watch the Rangers regularly. Prucha's goals usually come from the slot or along the wing from his tremendous wristshot, not from rebounds in front of the net.

"That is absolutely incorrect. This has got to be from someone who doesn't watch the Rangers regularly. Prucha's goals usually come from the slot or along the wing from his tremendous wristshot, not from rebounds in front of the net."

I hope that was sarcasm, because it isn't really true. He can score from anywhere from the face-off dots down, but a majority of his goals are from in tight, top of the crease.

Either way, in 2 years he's shown no indication of being injury prone. It's like saying a guy like Lindros will never get hurt because he's 6'4" 240. It's just not a well thought out argument.

HOW ABOUT BASICS AND FUNDAMENTALS WATCHING PRUCHA SHOOT THE PUCK IS PAINFUL. HE CANT STAND ON TWO FEET AND RELEASE A SHOT?!

HE GETS MOSTLY GARBAGE GOALS IN FRONT OF THE NET, AND HAS TO PICK HIMSELF UP OFF THE ICE WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON.

OVERRATED FLASH IN THE PAN. TRADE HIM!

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HOW ABOUT BASICS AND FUNDAMENTALS WATCHING PRUCHA SHOOT THE PUCK IS PAINFUL. HE CANT STAND ON TWO FEET AND RELEASE A SHOT?!

HE GETS MOSTLY GARBAGE GOALS IN FRONT OF THE NET, AND HAS TO PICK HIMSELF UP OFF THE ICE WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON.

OVERRATED FLASH IN THE PAN. TRADE HIM!"

So he just got lucky 50 times in 2 years. He should just play Lotto.

KID IS NICE I LIKE HIM.

I JUST THINK FANS TEND TO PRAISE HIM A BIT TOO MUCH. LIKE THEY DID LUNDMARK, MALHOLTRA ETC.

HE IS AT BEST THIRD LINE PLAYER.

Hard to say that when he's never had a legit 1st line shot...

How can you be so hard on a kid like Prucha when he puts up numbers (47, 40) with between 10-13 minutes of ice time?
It is a fact that he leads all other NHLers in points and goals at that amount of time?
Why is it so hard to think of him as having potential?
He is one of the hardest working kids on the team two years in a row.

no ? after time.
It is a fact that he leads all other NHLers in points and goals at that amount of time!

Dubinsky = Malhotra
Dawes = Dube

Comparing Lindros to Prucha is not a well thought out argument! When you're 6'4 225 lbs, it is your job to hit and punish...which takes a huge toll on your body. That's why big guys break down...all the time. Little guys use speed and agility to avoid contact...like St. Louis and Gionta. Those two guys are small and compact both under 5'9" but they weigh more than Prucha, who is built like a pipe-cleaner.

As far as Renney not playing him, think of Prucha like a utility player in baseball. With the limited time they get they tear the cover off the ball but once they are required to play everyday, they get exposed. I'm not saying that's the case here but perhaps Renney doesn't know if Prucha can physically handle the workload.

Just a thought...

If Hossa winds up playing 1st line LW you can forget about any Cup aspirations. 10-15 goals from that position will just not do the trick.

I know it will never happen, because Renney has a crush on big, strong men... but if Straka isn't our 1st line LW then it should be Prucha.

Prucha would out-perform Hossa any day of the week at any forward position. Playing with Jagr and Drury regularly, Prucha could get 45 goals. It would take Hossa 4 years to do that.

huh?

THERE'S MANY A TEAM THAT WOULD JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO GET A GUY LIKE PRUCHA WHO SCORED OVER 20 GOALS IN HIS FIRST TWO SEASONS. YES HE'S SMALL AND HE PLAYS WITH RECKLESS ABANDON AND WITH NO REGARD FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL WELL BEING. BUT IN HIS ROLE (2ND OR 3RD LINE )HE GIVES YOU STABILITY AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT HE'LL POP A FEW BIG ONES HOME! FIRST LINE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION. BUT WHY GIVE ANY TEAM A CHANCE AT A GUY WHO HAS DONE EVERYTHING YOU' VE ASKED ESPECIALLY SINCE HE WAS AN UNKNOWN IN CAMP IN 05-06!!
LET'S TRY AND FILL THE HOLES THAT ARE NECESSARY RATHER THAN CREATE OTHERS. I STILL WONDER WHY MANY FANS ARE NOT INCLUDING PAUL MARA IN THE TOP SIX. I REALLY LIKE THE GUY AND I HOPE HE DOES'NT GET SHORT-CHANGED IN CAMP. REMEMBER STAAL HASN'T PLAYED ONE SECOND IN THE NHL. SCOUTING REPORTS AND TOP DRAFT CHOICE ASIDE HE'S STILL HAS TO PROVE HE'S READY. REMEMBER PAVEL BURE AND JAIME LUNDMARK UNTOUCHABLES BOTH!!

whenever I read someone post something along the lines of "he's a kid, he hasn't played in the NHL yet, he has yet to improve himself" it really makes me want to puke.

How come very other successful organization gives their young players a legit shot and we always seem to let our young guys linger forever or let them become stars somewhere else?

You think if the Rangers had drafted Zach Parise he would have become a superstar so quick as he has playing for the Devils?

Play effing Marc Staal, play effing Nigel Dawes, and you better keep playing Ryan Callahan.

I am so damn sick of the notion that we can't let the kids play.

I wasn't comparing Prucha to Lindros. my point wast that you can't assume Prucha will get hurt JUST because he's small. By that method of thinking, the rationale is that bigger guys dont'get hurt. It just isn't true.

And you're analysis as to bigger guys wearing down is way off. So far off I won't even bother to debate it, because it's just an ill thought-out comment ot start with.

The bottom line is that no one knows what this guy is capable of until he gets 15-20 games on the 1st or 2nd line. CONSISTENT GAMES. Not one shift and dropped back down to the 3rd or 4th line.

I also agree with reality check. Play all those kids. It's a long season. There's no reason not to bring up Dawes to give Shanahan a rest. No reaosn not to have Staal in the lineup, period. Let these guys worry about their jobs, let them know they all need to perform to stay in the line-up. Then see the cream rise to the top.

Peter
You're right...further debate would be useless. I would get better dialogue from a tree stump.

a little more fuel for the "Prucha" debate.

Along with the fact that he has only two seasons under his built and put up those really good #'s with such limited ice time. He has also had to play with no set line mates to gel with. He hasn't had one consistent centerman to get used to. He also lost A TON of PP time with the acquisition of Shanny. So yes he is small and takes a pounding, but unless someone is willing to give us a big time d-man in trade, then I would say Prucha is worth keeping for 1st, 2nd or 3rd line minutes and let him continue to pot 25 or so goals until he does get hurt (and there is no guarantee that will ever happen)

just to be clear...I never said Prucha was worthless, quite the contrary, he has value and before it diminishes because of injury, I would get something for him. Not a bag of pucks, something worthwhile...like I said he has value. Maybe you're right...I don't think so...but maybe he won't get hurt.

Hell, Sylvain Turgeon excelled in this league and he couldn't bench press 150 lbs. But the players are a lot bigger and stronger these days.

I dont think "Homer Simpson" saw Prucha play in his rookie year.

Gord,
I do hear where your coming from but it dosent make sense. You dont manage a hockey team around who may or may not get injured. This guy has put up almost 100 points in two years, with no set linemates and not alot of ice time. I would love to see a Prucha-Gomez-Jagr line. But your saying we should trade him while he has some value. It just dosent make sense to do something like that.

I'd give Peca 2mm a year.

Where is the harm in playing Prucha on the first or second line, for 20-30 games, with the same linemates? I just don't see a down side there.

Gord - Good to see you can back your comments with fact rather than lower yourself to calling people names.

How about we trade Lundqvist now, too? He has value, may get hurt...Send him off.

You should stop posting on personnel moves until you get a clue.

Duran Duran rocks your weekend

The comparisons on Prucha and Hossa are incomlete at best, firstly Hossa was non productive with basically 4th line duty for majority of his Ranger time. He saw no PP time and was relegated to playing with 4th line defensive talent. He was not asked to add any offense. The time he spent on the first line was truly an eye opener prior to his knee injury. Prucha is a PP specialist and a 3rd line winger who will give the Rangers better balance in those areas. He is not someone who will win the corner battles on a consistent basis. Renney knows this, and the comments about keeping his playing time down so he doesn't wear out or break down are right on point. He is an excellent player, no need to put him in a position to fail. He is not a first line player with this team and the way it is configured at present. Jagr needs the puck and he needs people to get him the puck, this requires strong corner work and now a center that will shoot the puck is only going to get Jagr more ice to work with. Drury is the right match, here as Gomez will play better with the puck and have the ability to rush the ice from the second line position. Gomez, Straka and Shanny will create strong mismatches for the Rangers on most nights. And Dubinsky Callahn and Avery are also going to cause matchup nightmares for most teams. With injuries Prucha will get plenty of playing time moving from 3rd to 4th lines. The 4th line by the way could certainly use a potential offensive threat. So Prucha would add this as he is a winger that can get free with the puck, now Orr can simply jam the net and Betts and Prucha can accomplish a little more then simply a checking high energy line. The difficulty now is finding Prucha PP time with all the Offensive talent on this team. Prucha may be a a strong trade option to fill a defensive void, a very pleasant problem when a team has an over abundance of offensive options.

Just wanted to "ditto" what "msg4ever" posted. He pretty much summed it all up as best as can be. There is nothing wrong with Prucha playing third line minutes and your top line does not have to be the best three forwards on your team. You have to have someone who keeps defense in mind and can go into the corners etc. And I believe I said just about the same thing before as far as why I would be willing to trade Prucha. Good post msg4ever!!

Peter
Take your own advice. Rather than dismiss every argument that you don't agree with as ill-informed and not worth debate perhaps you should open your mind and consider all options. I'm willing to have a rational discussion. Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

msg -

I think that analysis is way off.

When Hossa first got here, he was immediately installed on the 2nd line and #2 PP Unit with Rucinsky and Rucchin. He was asked to produce, and did nothing in that role. That's the reason he was dropped to the 4th line in the first place. He did show a glimpse when playing with Nylander and Jagr, but did nothing on the #2 PP Unit. That just goes to show that he was basically the beneficiary of Jagr and Nylander's skill plays. He brings nothing to the table anywhere else.

I don't see how you can label a 2-time 20 goal scorer as a 3rd liner at best. That's just irrational thinking. Renney's treatment of Prucha has been undeserved, and everyone (media included) questions it. His personnel decisions are the one black mark on his record. If there weren't injuries last year we never would have seen Lundqvist emerge as the #1 goalie 2 years ago, or Girardi and Callahan last year.

As far as "corner battles", it isn't that I don't see your point, it's that I disagree. The EGG line in NJ (Elias/Gomez/Gionta) was very successful playing a puck-possesion game similar to the one Straka/Nylander/Jagr played. There's really no reason that couldn't be duplicated with Prucha/Gomez/Jagr.

Make no mistake, Gomez will center Jagr. Drury plays a North American style game and would compliment Shanahan's style way more that Gomez.

Renney's poor judgment when it comes to loyalty to veterans will amount to line combos that look like this:

Straka/Gomez/Jagr
Avery/Drury/Shanahan
Prucha/Dubinsky?/Callahan
Hossa/Betts/Orr-Hollweg

In reality, the lines should be:

Hossa/Gomez/Jagr
Prucha/Drury/Shanahan
Avery/Straka/Callahan
Hollweg/Betts/Orr

I'd love to see Dubinsky up here, but I don't know if it happens this year. Hossa is basically an empty sweater unless he's on Jagr's line. Prucha deserves 2nd line time, bottom line. He plays a crash-the-net style that will compliment Drury and Shanny. That leaves Straka as the odd-man out. He's good on both sides of the puck and because of age and injury shouldn't be going up against the other team's best defenders. Avery can take draws on that line. 4th line status quo.

I know we won't see it, but it makes the most logical sense.

Trading Prucha is a huge mistake. He has more goals playing 10-13 minutes a night than any other player in the NHL. Calgary made the same assumptions about Martin St. Louis that you're making about Prucha and put him on waivers. Think about it.

Gord - I was up for the debate, you made the "tree stump" comment. Perhaps because you don't have much of an argument?

...or perhaps not.

Peter - newsflash. hockey is a rough sport and injuries happpen all the time. so to say players only played because of injuries makes it seems like injuries are out of the ordinary. but they happen every year. and they'll happen this yr as well. and another news flash. the 3rd line is important to a teams success. the better balance that a team has the more chances for success they'll have. this is not fantasy hockey but rather real people putting their blood and guts out there on offense and stopping the other teams offense.

agree that it would be a mistake to trade Prucha even if he is "banished" to the 3rd line.

LI Joe - News flash not needed, because the point was that if those injuries didn't occur, those players would have remained in Hartford. So I'm not relly seeing what your point is.

As for "banishing" Prucha to the 3rd line, not sure what point you're trying to make here either. Simply put Avery is a better checker/agitator and should be on the 3rd line, Prucha has more offense and isn't stellar on the defensive side. He'd be better on the 2nd line with Drury and Shanny.

Like I said, don't really see where you're going with your comments directed toward me...

Gord - Once again, a well thought out point. Congrats.

Jagr was asked during the slue of minor injures in Feb and Mar, who he'd like to play at left wing. Jagr, admiring the play of Hossa, choose him. Hossa was the benefactor 10 fold. 8 goals, 4 assist in 15 games.
The style of play from last year to this year will be very different from line to line. And the overall look of the teams play PP, PK and 5 on 5 will also vary. That will either be the blessing or the curse of Gomez and Drury.


Peter
In your posts you complain "I'm not relly seeing what your point is" or "not sure what point you're trying to make here" or "don't really see where you're going with your comments"...maybe that's the